Modelling time-irreversible avalanches
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The pith
A non-equilibrium extension of the ABBM model correlates an easy-to-measure avalanche asymmetry with entropy production rates.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The paper establishes that the non-equilibrium extension of the ABBM model, framed via the Brownian Gyrator, reproduces experimental avalanche phenomenology in granular friction and yields a correlation between an easily computed measure of avalanche-shape asymmetry and the entropy production rates of the stochastic dynamics, thereby providing theoretical control over time-reversal symmetry breaking in fluctuations.
What carries the argument
The non-equilibrium extension of the ABBM model, which enables systematic calculation of avalanche asymmetry as a function of the underlying entropy production.
If this is right
- Avalanche asymmetry becomes a practical experimental proxy for entropy production in crackling-noise systems.
- The model supplies a systematic way to study how time-reversal symmetry breaking appears in average avalanche shapes across multiple physical realizations.
- Theoretical predictions for asymmetry can be tested directly against data from magnetic materials, earthquakes, and granular flows.
- Entropy production rates can be inferred from shape observables even when full phase-space trajectories remain inaccessible.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The same asymmetry-entropy link could be checked in other driven systems that exhibit crackling but were not modeled here.
- Simulations could test whether the correlation survives when additional microscopic details, such as spatial structure, are restored to the model.
- Experimental protocols could be designed to extract entropy production solely from the leading and trailing edges of recorded avalanches.
Load-bearing premise
The non-equilibrium extension of the ABBM model is assumed to capture the essential time-irreversible features of real systems such as granular friction.
What would settle it
If experiments on granular friction show that the measured avalanche asymmetry does not correlate with independent estimates of entropy production rates, the claimed relationship would not hold.
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read the original abstract
We investigate the problem of the time reversal symmetry of fluctuations, as witnessed by the average shape of avalanches. This quantity has been measured in a variety of systems, ranging from magnetic materials to earthquakes. Although an asymmetric shape is often observed, which is a signature of a non-equilibrium dynamics, there is no general theoretical control of this feature. In this paper, we propose a non equilibrium extension of a paradigmatic model for ``crackling-noise'', the so called ABBM model. Our model is strictly related to the Brownian Gyrator, which has been previously introduced in stochastic thermodynamics as the simplest model for thermal anisotropy, but it can also be framed in the context of rate-and-state models. It reproduces the phenomenology observed in experiments on granular friction, and allows for a systematic theoretical study of the asymmetry. We manage to correlate a measure of asymmetry, that can be easily computed in experiments, with the entropy production rates of the dynamics.
Editorial analysis
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Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript proposes a non-equilibrium extension of the ABBM model for crackling noise, framed via the Brownian Gyrator (or rate-and-state dynamics), to study time-reversal symmetry breaking as seen in the average shape of avalanches. It claims the extension reproduces granular friction phenomenology and derives a correlation between an easily measured asymmetry measure and entropy production rates.
Significance. If the correlation is derived rigorously inside the model and the modeling assumptions map to real dissipation mechanisms, the work would link an experimental observable (avalanche shape asymmetry) to a thermodynamic quantity (entropy production) in non-equilibrium systems, extending stochastic thermodynamics ideas to crackling noise.
major comments (2)
- Abstract: the assertion that the model 'reproduces the phenomenology observed in experiments on granular friction' is stated without any cited parameter values, quantitative metrics, or references to specific figures or tables showing agreement with data, which is load-bearing for the claim that the asymmetry-entropy correlation applies beyond the model.
- Abstract / modeling section: the non-equilibrium ABBM extension is assumed to capture the essential time-irreversible features of real granular avalanches via stochastic anisotropy; if this choice does not match the dominant irreversibility source, the derived correlation between shape asymmetry and entropy production does not transfer to experiments.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their thoughtful comments on our manuscript. We address each major point below and indicate where revisions will be made to strengthen the presentation.
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Referee: Abstract: the assertion that the model 'reproduces the phenomenology observed in experiments on granular friction' is stated without any cited parameter values, quantitative metrics, or references to specific figures or tables showing agreement with data, which is load-bearing for the claim that the asymmetry-entropy correlation applies beyond the model.
Authors: We agree the abstract statement is insufficiently supported as written. The full manuscript contains qualitative comparisons to granular friction experiments (avalanche asymmetry and shape) in the results section, with references to relevant experimental works. We will revise the abstract to include explicit references to those sections, figures, and citations, and add a brief mention of the level of agreement achieved. revision: yes
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Referee: Abstract / modeling section: the non-equilibrium ABBM extension is assumed to capture the essential time-irreversible features of real granular avalanches via stochastic anisotropy; if this choice does not match the dominant irreversibility source, the derived correlation between shape asymmetry and entropy production does not transfer to experiments.
Authors: The stochastic anisotropy is introduced via the Brownian Gyrator/rate-and-state framing precisely because it provides a minimal, analytically tractable source of time-reversal symmetry breaking that reproduces key features of driven frictional systems. The correlation between asymmetry and entropy production is derived rigorously inside this model class. We discuss the physical motivation and limitations of the assumption in the modeling section; while other irreversibility mechanisms could dominate in some experiments, the derived relation remains valid for systems well-described by this dynamics. revision: no
Circularity Check
No circularity: model-derived correlation is independent of inputs
full rationale
The provided abstract and context describe a non-equilibrium ABBM extension (Brownian Gyrator framing) whose asymmetry-entropy correlation is obtained inside the model. No equations, self-citations, or fitted-parameter renamings are quoted that would reduce the claimed correlation to a definition or input by construction. The derivation chain is therefore self-contained against external benchmarks; the model-to-experiment transfer is an assumption, not a circularity.
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