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arxiv: 2606.20901 · v1 · pith:NQ2PDLO7new · submitted 2026-06-18 · ⚛️ physics.flu-dyn · physics.ao-ph

Towards bridging the gap between data-driven and theoretical turbulence closures in stratified flows

Laure Zanna , Pavel Perezhogin This is my paper

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keywords turbulence closuremesoscale eddiesstratified flowsdata-driven modelingocean dynamicsBoussinesq equationssubgrid-scale stressesinverse energy cascade
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Theoretical and data-driven closures for ocean mesoscale eddies are connected through analytical and data-driven examinations in stratified flows.

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The paper examines a range of theoretical and data-driven models for closing the equations of motion in oceanic flows where full resolution of turbulence is infeasible. It focuses on mesoscale eddies that redistribute momentum, energy, and tracers in stratified, rotating Boussinesq fluids and applies both analytical methods and data-driven techniques to identify links between the two classes of closures. A sympathetic reader would care because resolving the closure problem directly affects the accuracy of large-scale ocean simulations that cannot resolve 10-100 km eddies. The central effort is to relate subgrid-scale stresses back to the resolved flow without requiring full turbulence resolution.

Core claim

We explore a range of theoretical and data-driven ocean mesoscale closures and examine their connections using analytical and data-driven methods to bridge the gap between novel methods from AI and machine learning and theoretical fluid dynamics for the closure problem in stratified Boussinesq flows.

What carries the argument

The subgrid-scale turbulent stresses arising in the filtered Navier-Stokes equations for stratified incompressible flow in a rotating frame, which must be related to resolved large-scale motions either by theoretical assumptions or learned data-driven mappings.

If this is right

  • Hybrid closures that combine elements of both theoretical and data-driven approaches become feasible for ocean models.
  • The inverse energy cascade associated with mesoscale eddies can be represented more consistently across modeling frameworks.
  • Data-driven methods gain physical interpretability by direct comparison to established theoretical closures.
  • The closure problem for realistic oceanic flows can be addressed without requiring full turbulence resolution.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same bridging strategy could be tested on other filtered fluid systems where subgrid stresses dominate, such as atmospheric boundary layers.
  • If connections prove robust, they may guide the design of new closure assumptions that are both theoretically grounded and trainable from data.
  • Ocean general circulation models could incorporate the linked closures to improve tracer transport predictions at climate-relevant scales.

Load-bearing premise

That analytical examination combined with data-driven methods can produce meaningful connections capable of advancing the closure problem for stratified Boussinesq flows.

What would settle it

Showing that the examined theoretical and data-driven closures exhibit no consistent analytical or statistical relations when applied to the same set of stratified flow realizations.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2606.20901 by Laure Zanna, Pavel Perezhogin.

Figure 3.1
Figure 3.1. Figure 3.1: Upscale kinetic energy (KE) transfer diagnosed in the state-of-the-art climate model CM2.6 [9], here [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_3_1.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4.1
Figure 4.1. Figure 4.1: a) Schematic eddy deformation similar to [1]. b) Zonal mean zonal momentum tendency from the flow [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_4_1.png] view at source ↗
Figure 5.1
Figure 5.1. Figure 5.1: Zonal components of diagnosed (a) and predicted (b,c) subfilter forcing in the North Atlantic region at [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_5_1.png] view at source ↗
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Turbulence closure models are essential for solving the equations of motion in realistic systems, where fully resolving all relevant scales of motion is computationally infeasible. Developing turbulence closures remains one of the most challenging problems in fluid dynamics. Specifically, the Navier-Stokes equations, when filtered to isolate large-scale motions, introduce new terms representing the influence of subgrid-scale turbulent stresses. These terms, which can only be computed directly by resolving the turbulence itself, therefore lead to the closure problem: we must add new equations or introduce assumptions to relate the unresolved scales of motions to the resolved flow. Here we consider the closure problem for oceanic flows, i.e., stratified, Boussinesq, incompressible, in a rotating frame of reference. In particular, we focus on a closure for ocean mesoscale eddies, which have horizontal scales of 10-100km and are key to the redistribution of momentum, energy, and tracers in the ocean. In particular, mesoscale eddies can reinject energy and momentum into the large-scale flow through an inverse energy cascade. Here, we explore a range of theoretical and data-driven ocean mesoscale closures and examine their connections using analytical and data-driven methods. This note aims to bridge the gap between novel methods from artificial intelligence (AI) and machine learning and theoretical fluid dynamics to address significant challenges in the physics of turbulence.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript is an exploratory note examining connections between theoretical and data-driven closures for mesoscale eddies in stratified, rotating, incompressible Boussinesq flows. It reviews the closure problem arising from filtered Navier-Stokes equations, highlights the role of inverse energy cascades in ocean mesoscale dynamics, and describes the use of analytical and data-driven methods to link existing theoretical models with AI/ML-based approaches, without deriving new closures or presenting quantitative performance results.

Significance. As an exploratory study without new derivations, fitted parameters, or falsifiable predictions, the work has limited immediate significance even if the examined connections hold. It may help frame future integration of data-driven techniques into physically grounded closures for ocean modeling, but the absence of specific analytical identities, data comparisons, or validated improvements means any contribution remains prospective rather than demonstrated.

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  1. The abstract contains repetitive phrasing around the focus on mesoscale eddies (two consecutive sentences begin with 'In particular').

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their assessment. Our manuscript is explicitly framed as an exploratory note whose goal is to review the closure problem for mesoscale eddies and examine conceptual links between existing theoretical models and data-driven approaches; it does not claim new derivations or quantitative benchmarks. We address the referee's evaluation of significance below.

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  1. Referee: As an exploratory study without new derivations, fitted parameters, or falsifiable predictions, the work has limited immediate significance even if the examined connections hold. It may help frame future integration of data-driven techniques into physically grounded closures for ocean modeling, but the absence of specific analytical identities, data comparisons, or validated improvements means any contribution remains prospective rather than demonstrated.

    Authors: We agree that the manuscript contains no new closures, fitted parameters, or performance comparisons, consistent with its stated aim to explore connections using analytical and data-driven methods rather than to derive or validate new models. The review of the filtered Navier-Stokes closure problem, the role of the inverse energy cascade in mesoscale dynamics, and the discussion of how theoretical and AI/ML approaches might be linked are intended to provide context that could guide subsequent work. We do not assert that the examined connections immediately improve ocean models; the contribution is therefore prospective by design. revision: no

Circularity Check

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Exploratory note with no derived closures or predictions; no circularity present

full rationale

The manuscript is framed as an exploratory examination of connections between existing theoretical and data-driven mesoscale closures for stratified Boussinesq flows. No new closure is derived, no equations are presented that reduce a claimed prediction to a fitted input by construction, and no self-citation chain is invoked as a uniqueness theorem or load-bearing premise. The abstract states the goal is to 'explore a range of theoretical and data-driven ocean mesoscale closures and examine their connections using analytical and data-driven methods' without asserting a central derivation or quantitative result that could be circular. This is the most common honest finding for papers that do not advance a new formal claim.

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