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arxiv: 2606.08779 · v2 · pith:EFLZ7JRHnew · submitted 2026-06-07 · 💻 cs.LG

Reformulate LLM Reinforcement Learning for Efficient Training under Black-box Discrepancy

Jiashun Liu , Runze Liu , Xu Wan , Jing Liang , Hongyao Tang , Ling Pan This is my paper

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The pith

Reformulating LLM reinforcement learning as a discrepancy-constrained process stabilizes training by allowing exploration within a tolerance region while aligning train-inference behavior.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper identifies a hidden train-inference discrepancy as the cause of unstable or collapsed RL training for large language models. It finds that the policy can self-correct this mismatch when given the right signal, but only within an empirically observed tolerance region where some discrepancy supports exploration without harming efficiency. Outside that region, excess mismatch must be reduced to raise the performance ceiling. The authors therefore cast the task as a Discrepancy-Constrained Markov Decision Process whose reward objective is paired with an explicit alignment constraint, balanced dynamically by Lagrangian relaxation. The resulting method improves results on both dense 8B and MoE 30B models while permitting training on high-fidelity setups that remain compatible with low-cost inference engines.

Core claim

We formulate this problem as a Discrepancy-Constrained Markov Decision Process (DCMDP), where reward maximization is coupled with a constraint that aligns training-Inference behavior, achieving stable dual-objective optimization. To adaptively balance performance improvement and discrepancy control, we introduce a Lagrangian relaxation mechanism that dynamically adjusts the relative weight of the two objectives according to the current degree of discrepancy violation. This enables stable dual-objective optimization: the policy is allowed to explore freely within the tolerance region, while being guided back when the discrepancy exceeds the safe boundary. Empirically, DCMDP significantly impr

What carries the argument

Discrepancy-Constrained Markov Decision Process (DCMDP) paired with Lagrangian relaxation that dynamically reweights the discrepancy constraint according to the current violation level.

If this is right

  • The policy explores freely inside the tolerance region while being pulled back only when discrepancy exceeds the boundary.
  • Dual-objective optimization remains stable because the Lagrangian weight adapts automatically to the current violation degree.
  • Performance improves on both 8B dense and 30B MoE models under the constrained formulation.
  • Training can occur in high-fidelity setups while the learned policy is explicitly aligned for low-cost inference deployment.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same constrained formulation could be tested on other post-training objectives that suffer from engine or architecture mismatch.
  • If the tolerance region proves robust across model families, it would justify deliberately training on more expensive hardware while targeting cheaper inference hardware.
  • Explicit identification of the tolerance region might itself become a diagnostic tool for diagnosing training instability before full runs complete.

Load-bearing premise

There exists an empirically identifiable discrepancy tolerance region inside which the policy can explore freely without aggressive discrepancy reduction suppressing learning efficiency.

What would settle it

A controlled experiment in which applying the DCMDP formulation and Lagrangian mechanism produces no performance gain, or a performance loss, relative to standard RL on the same models and tasks, or in which no consistent tolerance region can be located across runs.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2606.08779 by Hongyao Tang, Jiashun Liu, Jing Liang, Ling Pan, Runze Liu, Xu Wan.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: (Left): CMDP guides the training policy to find the optimal solution along the inference [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: (Left):Training curve. Comprehensive performance of GRPO-driven policies with different temperatures on six mathematical scenarios. (Middle): Discrepancy ratio. The corresponding training-inference difference ratio during training. (Right): Probability Difference penalty achieves the best performance. average@32 scores on six benchmarks obtained using different penalties 4 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fi… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Performance under various tolerance ranges. As the region expands, the performance gradually increases, but a loose range leads to a degradation. Use the setup in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_3.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Compared to the naive GRPO, DC-GRPO controls the train-inference discrep￾ancy at a small value, achieves more stable train￾ing and overcomes collapse, ultimately achiev￾ing better progressive gains. The experiments use the same setting in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Depending on the adaptive optimiza￾tion ability of the Lagrangian operator, we find that its behavior for different models is different, which is hard to achieve by heuristics. r(·) denotes the verifiable reward, and c ≥ 0 spec￾ifies the radius of the symmetric two-bounded discrepancy tolerance region. The discrepancy penalty only triggers when the train-inference dis￾crepancy remains within a centered tol… view at source ↗
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: Two-sided toy comparison under a shared quadratic mismatch budget. Columns sweep [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p018_6.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 7. Figure 7: One-sided toy comparison under a shared quadratic mismatch budget. Columns sweep [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p019_7.png] view at source ↗
read the original abstract

Reinforcement Learning (RL) has emerged as a pivotal post-training paradigm, yet it frequently suffers from unpredictable sub-optimum performance or even training collapses. Recent findings attribute these failures to a hidden train-inference discrepancy (or mismatch), stemming from the disparate underlying engines and architecture. We find that the training policy can actively self-correct such a discrepancy when provided with an appropriate learning signal. Then, we further empirically identify a discrepancy tolerance region: within this region, aggressively narrowing the discrepancy can suppress policy exploration and reduce learning efficiency, whereas outside this region, reducing excessive discrepancy improves optimization consistency and raises the achievable local performance ceiling. According to such findings, we formulate this problem as a Discrepancy-Constrained Markov Decision Process (DCMDP), where reward maximization is coupled with a constraint that aligns training-Inference behavior, achieving stable dual-objective optimization. To adaptively balance performance improvement and discrepancy control, we introduce a Lagrangian relaxation mechanism that dynamically adjusts the relative weight of the two objectives according to the current degree of discrepancy violation. This enables stable dual-objective optimization: the policy is allowed to explore freely within the tolerance region, while being guided back when the discrepancy exceeds the safe boundary. Empirically, DCMDP significantly improves the performance of 8B dense model (Qwen-3-8b) and 30B Mixture-of-Expert model (Qwen-3-30bA3b), and enables a heterogeneous training paradigm, where LLMs can be optimized in high-fidelity training setup while being explicitly aligned for low-cost, resource-constrained inference deployment.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper claims that train-inference discrepancy in LLM RL causes instability, that a discrepancy tolerance region exists where aggressive correction harms exploration, and that reformulating the problem as a Discrepancy-Constrained Markov Decision Process (DCMDP) with Lagrangian relaxation enables stable dual-objective optimization. This is said to yield performance gains on Qwen-3-8B and Qwen-3-30B models while supporting heterogeneous training-inference setups.

Significance. If the tolerance region is rigorously identified and the DCMDP mechanism demonstrably drives the reported gains rather than unstated factors, the work could meaningfully advance stable RL post-training for large models by allowing controlled exploration without collapse. The heterogeneous paradigm is a potentially useful practical contribution.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract, §3] Abstract and §3 (DCMDP formulation): the justification for the constrained formulation rests on an 'empirically identified' discrepancy tolerance region inside which aggressive reduction suppresses exploration. No identification procedure, metric definition, threshold values, or supporting ablation curves are provided, so the claim that the policy 'explores freely within the tolerance region' while being 'guided back' cannot be evaluated or attributed to the Lagrangian mechanism.
  2. [§4] §4 (Experiments): performance improvements on Qwen-3-8B and Qwen-3-30B are asserted without reported baselines, error bars, statistical tests, or ablations that isolate the effect of the discrepancy constraint versus standard RL or other regularization. This makes it impossible to confirm that the dual-objective optimization is responsible for the gains.
minor comments (2)
  1. [§3] Notation for the discrepancy measure and the tolerance bounds should be defined explicitly with equations rather than prose descriptions.
  2. [§3.2] The Lagrangian relaxation update rule and the adaptive weighting schedule need a clear algorithmic pseudocode or derivation to allow reproduction.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive feedback on our manuscript. The comments correctly identify areas where additional details are required to substantiate the empirical claims and experimental results. We address each point below and commit to revisions that strengthen the paper without altering its core contributions.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract, §3] Abstract and §3 (DCMDP formulation): the justification for the constrained formulation rests on an 'empirically identified' discrepancy tolerance region inside which aggressive reduction suppresses exploration. No identification procedure, metric definition, threshold values, or supporting ablation curves are provided, so the claim that the policy 'explores freely within the tolerance region' while being 'guided back' cannot be evaluated or attributed to the Lagrangian mechanism.

    Authors: We agree that the manuscript does not provide sufficient detail on the empirical identification of the discrepancy tolerance region. In the revised version, we will expand §3 with a new subsection that defines the discrepancy metric (token-level KL divergence between training and inference distributions), describes the identification procedure via systematic ablations across discrepancy levels, reports the specific threshold values used, and includes the corresponding ablation curves demonstrating the exploration-performance trade-off inside versus outside the region. This will make the justification for the DCMDP formulation and the Lagrangian mechanism fully evaluable. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [§4] §4 (Experiments): performance improvements on Qwen-3-8B and Qwen-3-30B are asserted without reported baselines, error bars, statistical tests, or ablations that isolate the effect of the discrepancy constraint versus standard RL or other regularization. This makes it impossible to confirm that the dual-objective optimization is responsible for the gains.

    Authors: The referee is correct that the current experimental section is missing essential elements for rigorous validation. We will revise §4 to include: (i) direct comparisons against standard RL baselines such as PPO without the discrepancy constraint, (ii) results reported as means with standard deviations over at least three random seeds with error bars, (iii) statistical significance tests (e.g., paired t-tests), and (iv) targeted ablations that vary the Lagrangian multiplier and constraint strength to isolate the contribution of the dual-objective optimization. These additions will allow attribution of gains specifically to the DCMDP mechanism. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; formulation presented as response to empirical observations without reduction to inputs by construction.

full rationale

The abstract states empirical findings on train-inference discrepancy and a tolerance region, then formulates DCMDP and Lagrangian relaxation accordingly. No equations, fitted parameters, or self-citations are shown that would make the DCMDP constraint or dual-objective optimization equivalent to the inputs by definition. The tolerance region is described as empirically identified rather than self-defined, and the derivation chain does not reduce the claimed performance gains to a tautology or unverified self-reference. The paper's central claims remain independent of the listed circularity patterns.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 1 invented entities

Abstract-only; no explicit free parameters, axioms, or invented entities detailed beyond the new DCMDP construct. The tolerance region is treated as an empirical discovery without stated validation procedure.

axioms (1)
  • domain assumption Existence of a discrepancy tolerance region where moderate mismatch aids exploration but excess harms consistency
    Invoked to motivate the constraint; described as empirically identified but no methodology or data provided in abstract
invented entities (1)
  • Discrepancy-Constrained Markov Decision Process (DCMDP) no independent evidence
    purpose: To jointly optimize reward and train-inference alignment via constraint
    New formulation introduced to address the identified problem

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