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Selected open cluster sample for validating atmospheric parameters: Application to Gaia and other surveys

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Pith's one-line read Using 130 open clusters as a benchmark, this work measures the systematic offsets and scatter in Teff and logg from Gaia DR3, LAMOST DR11, APOGEE DR17, and GALAH DR4, finding that FGK stars agree best.

arxiv 2505.14034 v1 pith:EJHG3FYJ submitted 2025-05-20 astro-ph.SR astro-ph.GA

Tong Tang , Songmei Qin , Jing Zhong , Yueyue Jiang , Li Chen This is my paper · ORCID
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Stars in an open cluster are born together, so they should share one age and one chemical mix. That makes a cluster useful as a test pattern: if a survey says a member star has a certain temperature and surface gravity, those values can be checked against where the star sits on the cluster's evolutionary track. The authors selected 130 nearby clusters with clean main sequences from their earlier OCSN catalog, removed likely binary stars, and for each remaining member read off the 'true' temperature and gravity from a PARSEC isochrone. They then subtracted those reference values from the values reported by Gaia DR3's three parameter pipelines, LAMOST DR11, APOGEE DR17, and GALAH DR4.

Across all surveys, the agreement is best for F, G, and K stars, with temperature scatter usually under 260 K, while B/A stars show large negative temperature offsets and M stars show positive offsets. The scatter in temperature shrinks for cooler stars in most catalogs, while the scatter in gravity grows. The authors are candid that the benchmark itself is imperfect: the model tracks do not include rotation, which matters for hot stars, and the reddening correction uses a coefficient calibrated only for stars between 5250 and 7000 K. So part of the reported B/A and M offsets could be model error rather than survey error. The paper's main contribution is a cleaner sample and an updated set of offset tables for users of these surveys.

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Core claim

For 130 clean open clusters, the median Teff and logg deviations between the four surveys (Gaia DR3 GSP-Phot/GSP-Spec/ESP-HS, LAMOST DR11, APOGEE DR17, GALAH DR4) and PARSEC isochrone references are smaller for F, G, and K stars than for B, A, and M stars, and the dispersion of Teff decreases while the dispersion of logg increases toward cooler stars. If correct, these tables provide spectral-type dependent offsets for calibrating survey parameters.

Load-bearing premise

The isochrone references are unbiased. Specifically, non-rotating PARSEC isochrones evaluated at Qin23's ages and metallicities, combined with fixed extinction coefficients calibrated only for 5250-7000 K, give the correct Teff and logg for every retained member, especially B/A stars. Section 2.2 step (1) takes Qin23 parameters as true, and Sect 4.5 acknowledges rotation, age error, and model uncertainties are not included. If this assumption fails, the reported B/A and M offsets mix survey bias with model bias.

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Assumptions & free parameters 6 free parameters · 4 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central claim relies on a model-derived benchmark rather than on independent measurements. The paper's own Sect 4.5 lists unquantified age-fitting error, remaining binaries, CMD-to-isochrone color mismatches, extinction-law applicability, PARSEC model uncertainties, and missing rotation. These are not invented entities; they are inherited modeling choices. The largest circularity contribution is adopting the authors' own Qin23 cluster parameters as ground truth.

free parameters (6)
  • log(age) per cluster (130 values) = 7.0 to 9.0 dex, from Qin23
    Used to select PARSEC isochrones in Sect 2.2 step (1); an age error shifts the isochrone Teff and logg at every mass.
  • [M/H] per cluster (130 values) = adopted from Qin23, not tabulated
    Sect 2.2 step (1) interpolates isochrones at these metallicities and assumes these are the true values.
  • Distance modulus (m-M)0 per cluster = adopted from Qin23, not tabulated
    Sect 2.2 step (2) converts observed G to absolute magnitude; errors move stars along the vertical axis of the CMD and change the matched isochrone point.
  • E(B-V) per cluster = 0 to 0.3 mag from Qin23
    Sect 2.2 step (2) dereddens colors and magnitudes; the fixed extinction law is only valid over a limited Teff range (Sect 4.3).
  • Binary mass ratio cutoff q = 0.5
    Sect 2.1 excludes q>0.5 binaries; the cutoff is chosen by hand and remaining low-q binaries still bias the reference (Sect 4.5).
  • Photometric quality threshold N in |C*| < N sigma_C* = 3
    Sect 2.1 uses this cut to remove bad photometry; it is a standard but hand-set threshold.
assumptions (4)
  • domain assumption Non-rotating PARSEC isochrones give unbiased Teff and logg for given age and metallicity.
    Sect 2.2 step (1) interpolates reference parameters from these isochrones; Sect 4.5 says the models do not include stellar rotation, which can shift the reference locus for early-type stars.
  • domain assumption After removing q>0.5 binaries, remaining cluster members behave as single stars on the isochrone.
    Sect 2.1 removes high mass-ratio binaries; Sect 4.5 admits low mass-ratio binaries still affect the theoretical parameter estimation.
  • domain assumption Fixed extinction coefficients AG=2.74 times E(B-V) and E(BP-RP)=1.339 times E(B-V) apply to all member stars.
    Sect 2.2 step (2) applies them to all stars though they are calibrated for 5250-7000 K; Sect 4.3 shows B/A offsets change under the Gaia (E)DR3 extinction law.
  • ad hoc to paper Cluster ages, metallicities, distance moduli, and reddenings from Qin23 are the true values.
    Sect 2.2 states 'we assume that these are the true values'; the cluster catalog is the authors' own previous work, and its fitting uncertainties are not propagated into the reference parameters.

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  author       = {Pith},
  title        = {Pith review of: Selected open cluster sample for validating atmospheric parameters: Application to Gaia and other surveys},
  year         = {2026},
  howpublished = {\url{https://pith.science/paper/EJHG3FYJ}},
  note         = {Machine review of arXiv:2505.14034}
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Reliable stellar atmospheric parameters are essential for probing stellar structure and evolution, and for stellar population studies. However, various deviations appear in comparisons with different ground-based spectroscopic surveys. We aim to select high-quality open cluster members and employ the atmospheric parameters provided by the theoretical isochrones of open clusters as a benchmark to assess the quality of stellar atmospheric parameters from Gaia DR3 and other ground-based spectroscopic surveys, such as LAMOST DR11, APOGEE DR17, and GALAH DR4. We selected 130 open clusters with well-defined main sequences within 500 pc of the solar neighborhood as a benchmark sample to estimate the reference atmospheric parameters of the members from the best-fit isochrones of those clusters. By comparing the atmospheric parameters provided by different spectroscopic surveys to the theoretical parameters, we found that the atmospheric parameter deviation and the corresponding dispersions exhibit different variations. The atmospheric parameter deviations of F, G, and K-type stars are smaller than those of B, A, and M-type stars for most surveys. For most samples, the dispersion of Teff decreases as temperature decreases, whereas the dispersion of logg shows the opposite trend.

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Figure 1
Figure 1. Histograms of the selected clusters’ age, reddening, and member number. Those parameters are from the OCSN catalog of Qin23. The dashed black lines represent the median values. 2. Sample and method 2.1. Sample Open clusters are generally considered simple stellar popula￾tions, and all members in a cluster are supposed to present an isochrone distribution on the CMD. However, differential red￾dening and observational… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Color-absolute magnitude diagram of OCSN 259 (Roslund 6). The dashed green line represents the best-fit isochrone provided by Qin23. The blue dots represent the members with a binary mass ratio larger than 0.5. The red dots represent the member stars we have re￾tained. The error bars indicate the photometric uncertainties. the PARSEC isochrones (Marigo et al. 2017) with the Gaia photometric system (Riello et al. 202… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. ∆Teff vs. (BP − RP)0. The ∆Teff_Phot/Spec/HS/LAMOST/APOGEE/GALAH is defined as Teff_Phot/Spec/HS/LAMOST/APOGEE/GALAH − Teff_iso. The black triangles and error bars indicate the median values and corresponding dispersions within different color bins. The vertical dashed gray lines are the cutoffs between different stellar types. The rainbow color of the points represents the metallicity from individual catalogs with … view at source ↗
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Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Same as [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_4.png]
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Top panel: Dispersion of ∆Teff vs. (BP − RP)0. Bottom panel: Dispersion of ∆log g vs. (BP − RP)0. The red, orange, blue, green, pur￾ple, and gray lines represent the dispersion of ∆Teff and ∆log g of GSP￾Phot, GSP-Spec, ESP-HS, LAMOST-LRS DR11, APOGEE DR17, and GALAH D…
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: Top panel: ∆Teff_Phot vs. Gmag. Bottom panel: ∆log g_Phot vs. Gamg. The black triangles and error bars indicate the median values and corresponding dispersions within different color bins. from 0.14 dex to −0.16 dex as stars become brighter, and the dis￾persion of ∆log…
Figure 8
Figure 8. Figure 8: Deviation between the Teff (upper panel) and log g (lower panel) obtained by GSP-Phot and the theoretical values of the isochrone mod￾els with different degrees of stellar rotation. The green, yellow, and red lines represent, respectively, the deviations from the theor…
Figure 10
Figure 10. Figure 10: Deviation distribution of the Teff (upper panel) and log g (lower panel) of GSP-Phot from the theoretical values obtained using differ￾ent extinction laws. The dashed black and blue lines represent, respec￾tively, the results obtained using the fixed extinction coeffi…

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