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Understand, Think, and Answer: Advancing Visual Reasoning with Large Multimodal Models

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Pith's one-line read The paper claims that a single-pass 'understand-think-answer' process, in which the model writes its own grounded hints before answering, lets a large multimodal model beat prior chain-of-thought and tool-using systems on compositional…

desk verdict Plausible single-pass mechanism for visual reasoning, strong numbers, but attribution is under-supported by ablations and a likely train/eval overlap; deserves peer review with demands for controlled baselines. read the letter →

arxiv 2505.20753 v1 pith:KNAXNP4D submitted 2025-05-27 cs.CV cs.AI

classification cs.CVcs.AI
keywords visualreasoninglargemultimodalmodelschain-of-thoughtcompositionalgroundinginstructiontuningsingleforwardpassunderstand-think-answer
verification ladder T0 review T1 audit T2 compute T3 formal

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The reading

The paper claims that a single forward pass can contain the entire reasoning process if the model is trained to emit its own grounded understanding before answering. On images, Griffon-R first writes a short plan and produces hints such as object names, attributes, and normalized bounding boxes; then it reasons over those hints; then it answers. This 'understand-think-answer' sequence is trained on 334K re-annotated visual reasoning samples, and the resulting model reports 70.9 on VSR and 63.7 on CLEVR, ahead of the chain-of-thought and toolkit-based systems it compares against. The paper also reports gains on MMBench, ScienceQA, POPE, and referring expression comprehension, and a 13x latency reduction over a toolkit-based baseline. The intended lesson is that compositional visual reasoning does not need external tools or multiple passes; a model's own grounding abilities can power the reasoning.

What carries the argument

The load-bearing object is the 'Understand' step's output: structured visual cues (grounded captions and object bounding boxes with normalized coordinates) that make the needed evidence explicit for the model itself. The second carrying component is a semi-automatic data engine that produces 334K training samples: a strong off-the-shelf vision-language model drafts question analyses, understanding plans, and initial annotations, and human experts complete multi-object grounding and review or remove bad samples. The model is trained with cross-entropy loss over the full Understand-Think-Answer sequence in a single autoregressive pass.

What would settle it

Take the 'Understand' hints from held-out samples and give them, without the image, to a strong language model along with the original question; if that model's accuracy on VSR or CLEVR approaches Griffon-R's accuracy with the image, then the hints are carrying the answer and the visual reasoning step is not doing the work.

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Core claim

The central claim is that compositional visual reasoning fails under the shortcut-learning paradigm—training a model to produce the final answer directly from image and question—and that the failure is avoidable by having the model generate its own intermediate reasoning context. Griffon-R's forward pass produces three blocks in order: an 'Understand' block that plans what information the question requires and emits structured visual cues such as grounded captions and object boxes with coordinates; a 'Think' block that self-prompts reasoning over those cues; and an 'Answer' block that outputs the final response. This is done with ordinary next-token prediction, without extra perception modules, tool calls, or repeated inference. The paper's evidence is that Griffon-R improves on VSR, CLEVR, V-Star spatial, TallyQA, MMBench, ScienceQA, POPE, and referring expression comprehension, and that the mechanism is faster than a toolkit-based approach while remaining more accurate.

Load-bearing premise

The method assumes the curated hints contain the visual evidence needed for the answer but do not themselves contain the answer; if a hint names the attribute or relation being asked about, the final 'think' step becomes a formality and the model may be learning to read answers off hints instead of reasoning from the image.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • The single-pass design means the gains come without repeated forward passes or external tool calls; the paper reports roughly 13x lower per-sample latency than a toolkit-based baseline on V-Star spatial.
  • Because training uses only cross-entropy loss on the sequence, the same mechanism can be added to other large multimodal models without task-specific losses or architectural changes.
  • The improvement is not confined to one benchmark: VSR and CLEVR gains accompany higher MMBench, ScienceQA, SEED, TextVQA, and POPE scores, suggesting the mechanism transfers to general multimodal QA.
  • The model's referring expression comprehension is at or above prior visual reasoning systems, which supports the paper's claim that better understanding is what drives better reasoning.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If the hints are genuinely answer-free, this design is effectively a way to inject grounded rationales into any LMM; a natural next experiment is to perturb the hints or offer multiple plausible hint sets and check whether reasoning quality tracks the evidence.
  • The mechanism sits between chain-of-thought prompting and toolkit-based methods: the model calls its own perception abilities instead of external programs, so it can be viewed as learned internal tool use.
  • The data engine's filtering criteria (yes/no questions and relationship/attribute keywords) may bias the training distribution toward certain question forms; testing on fresh, unanticipated compositional question types would measure how general the mechanism really is.
  • The ablation in which the mechanism without curated annotations gives no gain on V-Star suggests the data, not the mechanism alone, carries much of the effect; a direct comparison against randomly generated hints would isolate what curation contributes.
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Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

4 major / 6 minor

Summary. The paper proposes a unified "understand-think-answer" visual reasoning mechanism for large multimodal models (LMMs), in which the model first plans and generates grounding-style hints, then self-prompts reasoning, and finally answers, all in a single forward pass without external tools. To train this behavior, the authors build a semi-automatic data engine that combines Qwen2-VL-72B annotations with human expert review to produce 334K visual reasoning samples mixing VQA, instruction, and caption data. The resulting model, Griffon-R, is built on the Griffon v2 architecture with a Gemma-9B LLM and trained in three stages. The paper reports strong results on VSR, CLEVR, GQA, V-StarSpat, TallyQA, MMBench, ScienceQA, TextVQA, SEED, LLaVA-W, and POPE, and it presents ablations on understanding quality (REC), mechanism versus toolkit-based inference, and the contribution of curated annotations.

Significance. If the attribution claims hold, the paper makes a useful contribution: a single-pass, tool-free recipe for eliciting compositional visual reasoning from LMMs by generating self-contained visual cues before answering. The 13x speed advantage over a toolkit-based method (Table 3), the strong headline numbers, and the publicly promised data/model release are concrete assets. The REC results in Table 4 demonstrate that the model has strong grounding ability. However, the paper's central mechanistic claim is currently under-supported: the only controlled ablation of the mechanism (Table 4) shows no gain without curated annotations (75.0 vs 75.0 on V-StarSpat), and the gain with curated data (77.6) is potentially confounded by train/evaluation image overlap and by answer leakage through hints. The headline comparisons in Tables 1 and 2 are across different backbones, training data, and scales, so they do not by themselves isolate the proposed mechanism.

major comments (4)
  1. [§4.5, Table 4; §B.1, Table 7; Appendix A.1] The only controlled experiment isolating the unified mechanism is not interpretable without a train/test image-overlap analysis. V-StarSpat is constructed from Visual Genome images (the V* benchmark), and Table 7 shows that Stage II and Stage III training include Visual Genome for REG, DET, and Perc, as well as GQA, whose images come from Visual Genome. The paper never reports a deduplication or overlap check between V-StarSpat and any training source. If V-StarSpat images (or near-duplicates) appeared in training, the +2.6 gain in Table 4 could reflect memorization of already-seen scenes rather than a general reasoning mechanism. Please report exact overlap counts, evaluate on a disjoint held-out subset, and also report the same split-exclusion information for GQA, ScienceQA, and TextVQA, which are evaluated in Tables 1–2 after being used as training sources in Table 7.
  2. [§4.5, Table 4; §4.3, Tables 1–2] The paper's central claim is that the unified understand-think-answer mechanism, not data quantity or backbone, drives Griffon-R's performance on VSR, CLEVR, MMBench, and ScienceQA. But the only controlled mechanism ablation is on V-StarSpat (Table 4), while the headline results in Tables 1–2 compare against models with different backbones, resolutions, and training corpora. A same-backbone shortcut-trained baseline that receives the same 334K curated data and the same multi-task mixture but is trained to answer directly, without generating understand/think segments, is needed on VSR, CLEVR, MMBench, and ScienceQA. Without such a baseline, the paper demonstrates a strong model but not that the proposed mechanism is what produces the gains on those benchmarks.
  3. [§3.2, Figure 2; §3.3, Appendix A.2] The load-bearing assumption that curated understanding hints contain relevant visual evidence but not the answer is never tested. In Figure 2, the hint includes "vegetables on top, which look like mushrooms," which comes very close to the final response content; in the second example, the hint describes the skateboarder's attire and explicitly hypothesizes "it could be summer." If the training hints systematically encode the answer's key relation or attribute, then the "think" step is a near-trivial read-off, and the model may be learning to answer from hints rather than from the image. Please report a leakage measurement (e.g., how often the hint text contains the answer token or a paraphrase), provide a human audit of a random sample, and ablate with hints stripped of relation/attribute conclusions.
  4. [§4.5, Table 4; §4.6, Figure 5] The paper should report the variance or significance of the ablation results. Table 4 reports single numbers (75.0 vs 75.0 vs 77.6; 89.1 vs 89.4 vs 89.3), and it is unclear whether the +0.3 POPE gain or even the +2.6 V-StarSpat gain exceeds run-to-run noise. Please provide multiple seeds or a statistical test, especially because the first two rows are identical on V-StarSpat and the POPE differences are within typical benchmark fluctuation.
minor comments (6)
  1. [Abstract] The phrase "Data, models, and codes will be release" is a typo; it should read "will be released."
  2. [§4.5] "high efficinet inference" should be "highly efficient inference."
  3. [Figure 2] "Indentify the presense" should be "Identify the presence."
  4. [§3.2, Eq. (3)] The notation p([XU, XT, Xans]) is introduced informally. Please define explicitly that the bracket denotes left-to-right autoregressive generation of the concatenated sequence and clarify the exact role of XT versus Xans in the loss computation.
  5. [§4.1] "resolution to 1022" is unclear: specify whether this is width, height, or both, and state the units and the interpolation method.
  6. [Appendix B.1] The sentence "while for the overlapping data with the visual reasoning data, we directly remove them" is ambiguous; it should identify which overlaps are removed (e.g., benchmark evaluation sets versus general instruction data) and how the removal is performed.

Circularity Check

0 steps flagged · score 1.0 of 10

No significant circularity: Griffon-R's claims are empirical benchmark evaluations; the only self-citation is to the authors' prior architecture and is not load-bearing.

full rationale

The paper contains no derivation chain in which a predicted quantity is defined from, or fitted to, the quantity it purports to predict. The central claims are empirical: a model is trained on 334K curated instruction samples plus standard SFT data and evaluated on external benchmark answer labels (VSR, CLEVR, GQA, V-StarSpat., MMBench, ScienceQA, etc.). The unified 'understand-think-answer' mechanism is implemented as autoregressive generation p([XU, XT, Xans]) = product_i p(x_i | I, Q, X_<i), which is a training objective and inference scheme, not a self-referential derivation. The 334K data are produced by Qwen2-VL-72B and human annotators from public VQA pairs; the hints are answer-relevant by design, but at test time the model must generate those hints itself, and the final answers are evaluated against benchmark ground truth. The only notable self-citation is to Griffon v2 [93] for the high-resolution architecture, but this is an implementation choice that is externally validated by the REC results, and the benchmark gains do not rest on a self-cited uniqueness or correctness theorem. The ablation in Table 4 shows that the mechanism without curated annotations gives no gain on V-StarSpat. (75.0 vs. 75.0), which weakens the attribution of the improvement to the mechanism but is an empirical null result, not circularity. A benchmark-contamination risk exists because Table 7 lists GQA, TextVQA, and Visual Genome among training sources while Tables 1-2 report GQA, TextVQA, and V-Star results, and no overlap check is reported; this is a correctness/leakage concern, not a circularity of definition or fit. Score 1 reflects only the minor non-load-bearing self-citation.

Assumptions & free parameters 0 free parameters · 4 assumptions · 0 invented entities

This paper is an empirical machine learning contribution: it fits no mathematical constants, and its central claim rests on the quality and non-leakage of the AI-plus-human annotations, on the representativeness of the curated data, and on the validity of the chosen benchmarks. No new physical or mathematical entities are introduced.

assumptions (4)
  • domain assumption The AI expert Qwen2-VL-72B produces accurate understanding and caption/grounding annotations for training data.
    Section 3.3 uses Qwen2-VL-72B as the AI Expert to design the understanding process and generate captions; errors propagate to Griffon-R.
  • domain assumption Human experts correctly verify and fix grounding annotations and understanding steps.
    Appendix A.3 describes human curation; human error or bias would corrupt the training set.
  • domain assumption The benchmark evaluations (VSR, CLEVR, MMBench, etc.) measure the intended visual reasoning capabilities and are not gamed by the model's training distribution.
    Section 4 uses these benchmarks as ground truth; if the model overfits to benchmark-specific priors, the reported improvements would not generalize.
  • domain assumption Supervised fine-tuning with the curated data is sufficient to instill the understand-think-answer process without task-specific losses.
    Section 3.4 states only cross-entropy loss is used; if the mechanism requires special losses or decoding, the reported results may depend on unstated details.

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  title        = {Pith review of: Understand, Think, and Answer: Advancing Visual Reasoning with Large Multimodal Models},
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Large Multimodal Models (LMMs) have recently demonstrated remarkable visual understanding performance on both vision-language and vision-centric tasks. However, they often fall short in integrating advanced, task-specific capabilities for compositional reasoning, which hinders their progress toward truly competent general vision models. To address this, we present a unified visual reasoning mechanism that enables LMMs to solve complicated compositional problems by leveraging their intrinsic capabilities (e.g. grounding and visual understanding capabilities). Different from the previous shortcut learning mechanism, our approach introduces a human-like understanding-thinking-answering process, allowing the model to complete all steps in a single pass forwarding without the need for multiple inferences or external tools. This design bridges the gap between foundational visual capabilities and general question answering, encouraging LMMs to generate faithful and traceable responses for complex visual reasoning. Meanwhile, we curate 334K visual instruction samples covering both general scenes and text-rich scenes and involving multiple foundational visual capabilities. Our trained model, Griffon-R, has the ability of end-to-end automatic understanding, self-thinking, and reasoning answers. Comprehensive experiments show that Griffon-R not only achieves advancing performance on complex visual reasoning benchmarks including VSR and CLEVR, but also enhances multimodal capabilities across various benchmarks like MMBench and ScienceQA. Data, models, and codes will be release at https://github.com/jefferyZhan/Griffon/tree/master/Griffon-R soon.

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Figure 1. Enabled by the proposed unified mechanism, Griffon-R naturally connects the reasoning [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Detailed illustration of the unified visual reasoning mechanism with the “Understand-Think [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Illustration of the semi-automatic expert [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Ablation on understanding quality. With REC task covering object localization and attribute perception, we choose it to evaluate the quality of understanding in the mechanism. Methods RefCOCO RefCOCO+ RefCOCOg val test-A test-B val test-A test-B val-u test-u Expert Mod…
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Visualization of Griffon-R’s reasoning results. Correct answers are highlighted in bold [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_5.png]
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Figure 6. Figure 6: An example UI screenshot showcasing the annotation process for a question-answer pair [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p018_6.png]

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