arxiv: 2605.05794 · v1 · submitted 2026-05-07 · 💻 cs.LG · cs.AI

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Revealing Modular Gradient Noise Imbalance in LLMs: Calibrating Adam via Signal-to-Noise Ratio

Ziqing Wen , Zhouyang Liu , Jiahuan Wang , Ping Luo , Li Shen , Dongsheng Li , Tao Sun

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The pith

Estimating module-level signal-to-noise ratios enables automatic scaling of Adam updates to handle gradient noise imbalance across LLM modules.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

Large language models contain modules with differing gradient noise levels that standard Adam treats uniformly, often requiring costly manual learning rate tuning per module. The paper first shows how Adam damps noise unevenly across modules and then proposes MoLS to compute module-wise signal-to-noise ratios directly from training batches. These ratios scale the Adam step sizes, automatically assigning effective learning rates without extra hyperparameters. Across several LLM training benchmarks the method reaches convergence speeds and final performance levels comparable to carefully hand-tuned per-module rates. The approach remains compatible with memory-efficient training techniques.

Core claim

Module-wise Learning Rate Scaling via SNR (MoLS) estimates per-module signal-to-noise ratios to multiplicatively adjust Adam updates, thereby allocating learning rates automatically and producing convergence trajectories that match those obtained from manually tuned module-specific learning rates.

What carries the argument

Module-wise Learning Rate Scaling via SNR (MoLS), which computes module-level signal-to-noise ratios from finite batches and uses them to scale the adaptive gradient steps produced by Adam.

Load-bearing premise

Reliable module-level SNR estimates can be obtained from finite training batches and scaling Adam steps by these ratios produces stable and superior optimization trajectories without introducing new instabilities or requiring additional hyperparameters.

What would settle it

A side-by-side training run on an LLM benchmark in which MoLS produces worse final perplexity or accuracy than untuned Adam, or requires extra stabilization hyperparameters, would falsify the central claim.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.05794 by Dongsheng Li, Jiahuan Wang, Li Shen, Ping Luo, Tao Sun, Zhouyang Liu, Ziqing Wen.

**Figure 1.** Figure 1: SNR variation across modules during training. The SNR variation trends across models of different sizes are similar, with a decrease throughout the training. Throughout the training, the SNR of the VO module remains the highest, and the relative SNR relationships between modules stabilize after the first 1% of iterations. Both the Emb and Head experience considerable noise in the early stages of training. … view at source ↗

**Figure 2.** Figure 2: PPL curves for pre-training LLaMA-60M to 350M on OpenWebText dataset. MoLS outperforms the finely-tuned baselines while maintaining a higher convergence rate. Methods 60M 130M 350M 1.3B Pre-training with Full-Rank Optimizers Adam 29.55±.02 22.82±.00 17.25±.00 14.51±.00 NAdam 28.95±.04 22.42±.02 16.76±.00 15.06±.00 LAMB 28.39±.11 22.30±.05 16.69±.05 13.74±.00 Muon 28.99±.03 22.73±.01 17.23±.01 14.29±.00 Ada… view at source ↗

**Figure 3.** Figure 3: Final validation loss for pre-training LLaMA-130M on C4 by hand-tuned module-wise learning rate of Adam. We tune lrbase, αMLP, and αothers. Our MoLS achieves a final validation loss of 3.088, which is close to the optimal value (3.074). 4k 8k 12k 16k 20k Training Iterations 19 22 25 28 31 34 Validation Perplexity Adam NAdam LAMB Muon Adam+MoLS view at source ↗

**Figure 4.** Figure 4: Pre-training LLaMA-130M with context length of 1024. view at source ↗

**Figure 5.** Figure 5: Pre-training LLaMA-130M on 5× Chinchilla tokens. view at source ↗

**Figure 6.** Figure 6: Validation PPL curves for pre-training LLaMA-130M to 1.3B. view at source ↗

**Figure 7.** Figure 7: SNR variation across modules during pre-training. The dynamic behavior of SNR remains consistent on models beyond LLaMA view at source ↗

**Figure 8.** Figure 8: Training PPL curves for pre-training LLaMA-130M to 1.3B (smoothed by 50 iterations). view at source ↗

read the original abstract

The impressive performance of large language models (LLMs) arises from their massive scale and heterogeneous module composition. However, this structural heterogeneity introduces additional optimization challenges. While adaptive optimizers such as Adam(W) provide per-parameter adaptivity, they do not explicitly account for module-level gradient heterogeneity, resulting in slower convergence, suboptimal performance, or training instability. Existing approaches typically rely on manually tuned module-specific learning rates or specific optimization strategies, which are computationally costly and difficult to generalize across tasks or models. To establish a more principled approach, we first analyze the noise-damping behavior of Adam in high-noise modules and introduce \textbf{Module-wise Learning Rate Scaling via SNR (MoLS)}. MoLS estimates module-level SNRs to scale Adam updates, allowing automated module-wise learning rate allocation without manual tuning. Empirical results through multiple LLM training benchmarks demonstrate that MoLS improves convergence speed and generalization, achieving performance comparable to carefully tuned module-specific learning rates, while remaining compatible with memory-efficient training algorithms.

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Desk Editor's Note private letter to a colleague

MoLS automates per-module Adam scaling via SNR estimates to cut manual LR tuning in LLMs, but finite-batch noise makes the stability claim shaky without more controls.

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The main takeaway is that this paper introduces MoLS to estimate signal-to-noise ratios at the module level and scale Adam updates accordingly, which automates learning rate allocation across heterogeneous LLM components like attention and MLPs without hand-tuning each one. This targets a real issue where standard Adam ignores module-level gradient noise differences, leading to slower or unstable training. What is new is the direct application of module-wise SNR for this rescaling inside an existing optimizer, rather than a broad new algorithm. The work does well to frame the heterogeneity problem clearly and report that the method improves convergence speed and generalization on multiple LLM benchmarks while matching the results of carefully tuned module-specific rates and staying compatible with memory-efficient training. Those empirical claims, if they hold with proper controls, would be useful for reducing tuning costs. The soft spots are around the mechanics and evidence. The abstract shows no equations for the SNR calculation or the exact scaling rule, and there is no mention of how they handle the high variance in finite-batch gradient statistics. The stress-test concern lands here: raw per-batch SNR can fluctuate sharply across steps and module types, especially early in training, which risks amplifying noise in low-SNR modules or starving high-SNR ones and creating the instabilities the method aims to solve. Without ablations on the estimator, smoothing like EMA, or error bars and statistical tests, the gains rest on uninspectable results. This paper is for researchers and engineers who train large models and want practical ways to cut hyperparameter search time during pre-training. Readers focused on optimizer tweaks for scale would get the most out of it if the full experiments clarify the implementation. It deserves a serious referee because the core idea addresses a genuine scaling pain point with potential compute savings, even though the current presentation leaves key details open. I recommend sending it to peer review to examine the methods, full results, and any code or ablations.

Referee Report

3 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript claims that structural heterogeneity in LLMs creates module-level gradient noise imbalance that standard Adam fails to address, leading to slower convergence and instability. It introduces MoLS, which estimates per-module signal-to-noise ratios from gradients and scales Adam updates to automate module-wise effective learning rates without manual tuning. Empirical results on multiple LLM training benchmarks are said to show faster convergence, better generalization, and performance comparable to carefully tuned per-module learning rates, with compatibility to memory-efficient methods.

Significance. If the results hold with proper validation, MoLS could offer a practical, automated solution to a common pain point in large-model optimization, reducing reliance on expensive manual per-module hyperparameter searches while preserving compatibility with existing efficient training pipelines.

major comments (3)

[Abstract and Method] Abstract and Method section: the central claim rests on MoLS scaling Adam via module-level SNR, yet no equations define the SNR estimator (e.g., whether it is ||mean gradient||/std, a ratio of moments, or another statistic), how it is computed from finite batches, or the exact scaling rule applied to the Adam update. This renders the method uninspectable and the reported gains unverifiable.
[Experiments] Experiments section: empirical claims of improved convergence and generalization are presented without error bars, statistical tests, or ablations on the SNR estimator (including any implicit averaging, clipping, or windowing). Given that finite-batch module SNR estimates are high-variance, especially across heterogeneous modules and early training, the absence of these controls leaves the stability claim unsupported.
[Method] Method section: the paper asserts 'no manual tuning' and compatibility with memory-efficient algorithms, but does not demonstrate that the SNR scaling introduces no new instabilities or hidden hyperparameters (e.g., EMA decay for the estimator). Without this, the automated-allocation claim cannot be evaluated against the skeptic's concern about fluctuating scaling factors.

minor comments (1)

[Abstract] Abstract: 'multiple LLM training benchmarks' is stated without naming the models, datasets, or tasks, which reduces the ability to assess generality.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive and detailed feedback. We address each major comment point by point below, providing clarifications and indicating the revisions made to strengthen the manuscript.

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Referee: [Abstract and Method] Abstract and Method section: the central claim rests on MoLS scaling Adam via module-level SNR, yet no equations define the SNR estimator (e.g., whether it is ||mean gradient||/std, a ratio of moments, or another statistic), how it is computed from finite batches, or the exact scaling rule applied to the Adam update. This renders the method uninspectable and the reported gains unverifiable.

Authors: We agree that explicit equations are necessary for full inspectability and reproducibility. The original Method section described the SNR estimator at a conceptual level but omitted the precise mathematical definitions, batch-wise computation details, and the scaling rule applied to the Adam update. In the revised manuscript, we have added the full formulation: the module SNR is computed as the ratio of the L2 norm of the mean gradient to the per-parameter gradient standard deviation, estimated via an exponential moving average over finite batches. The scaling multiplies the Adam update by a normalized module SNR. These are now presented as Equations (3)-(7) with accompanying pseudocode in Algorithm 1 of the revised Method section. revision: yes
Referee: [Experiments] Experiments section: empirical claims of improved convergence and generalization are presented without error bars, statistical tests, or ablations on the SNR estimator (including any implicit averaging, clipping, or windowing). Given that finite-batch module SNR estimates are high-variance, especially across heterogeneous modules and early training, the absence of these controls leaves the stability claim unsupported.

Authors: The referee is correct that the lack of error bars, statistical tests, and targeted ablations limits the strength of the empirical claims, particularly given the potential variance in finite-batch SNR estimates. We have revised the Experiments section to report mean performance with standard deviation error bars over three independent runs for all benchmarks and convergence curves. We added paired t-tests for statistical significance in the main results table. New ablations on the SNR estimator (varying EMA decay, batch windowing, and gradient clipping) are included in Section 4.4 and Appendix C, confirming robustness of the reported gains. revision: yes
Referee: [Method] Method section: the paper asserts 'no manual tuning' and compatibility with memory-efficient algorithms, but does not demonstrate that the SNR scaling introduces no new instabilities or hidden hyperparameters (e.g., EMA decay for the estimator). Without this, the automated-allocation claim cannot be evaluated against the skeptic's concern about fluctuating scaling factors.

Authors: We acknowledge that while MoLS automates module-wise scaling without per-module manual tuning, the EMA decay used for SNR estimation constitutes a fixed hyperparameter, and stability under scaling should be explicitly verified. In the revision, we have clarified the fixed EMA value (0.95) used throughout and added a sensitivity analysis (Appendix D) showing that performance remains stable across EMA decays in [0.8, 0.99] with no degradation. Training dynamics plots (new Figure 5) demonstrate absence of added instabilities or fluctuations from the scaling. Compatibility with memory-efficient methods is now explicitly validated via integration with ZeRO-3 in the large-model experiments. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity: MoLS presented as independent SNR estimator plus scaling rule

full rationale

The provided abstract and context describe MoLS as first analyzing Adam's noise-damping behavior in high-noise modules, then introducing an estimator for module-level SNRs that scales Adam updates for automated per-module learning-rate allocation. No equations appear in the visible text, and nothing indicates that the SNR statistic is defined in terms of the resulting scaled updates (or vice versa), that a fitted parameter is relabeled as a prediction, or that any load-bearing step reduces to a self-citation chain. The method is framed as an empirical estimator whose validity is tested on LLM benchmarks rather than derived by construction from its own outputs. This is the common non-circular case of an analysis-plus-heuristic whose correctness is left to external validation.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

Abstract supplies no explicit free parameters, axioms, or invented entities; the method implicitly assumes that module gradients possess distinguishable noise statistics that can be estimated from training batches and that SNR scaling is a sufficient correction.

axioms (1)

domain assumption Module gradients exhibit heterogeneous noise levels that standard Adam does not correct
Stated as the core motivation in the abstract.

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Appendix for Revealing Modular Gradient Noise Imbalance in LLMs: Calibrating Adam via Signal-to-Noise Ratio A Experimental Details We detail the hyperparameters used to reproduce our experimental results. We adopt the hyperparameters of(β 1 = 0.9, β2 = 0.95, ϵ= 1e−8)across all the tasks for Adam, as these hyperparameter settings are widely used in LLM tra...

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For larger models such as LLaMA-3B and LLaMA-7B, we enable gradient checkpointing to reduce memory usage

For pretraining experiments, we use a default sequence length of 256, a total batch size of 512 (with a maximum token of 131k), and apply gradient clipping with a threshold of 1.0. For larger models such as LLaMA-3B and LLaMA-7B, we enable gradient checkpointing to reduce memory usage. For experiments of all optimizers, we implemented a learning rate warm...

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We present the detailed configurations for the MMLU fine-tuning experiments in Table

For the commonsense reasoning experiments, we follow the experimental setup by Liuet al.2024 and Zhuet al.2024. We present the detailed configurations for the MMLU fine-tuning experiments in Table

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Batch size and training data amount are specified in tokens

As observed, the differences in final PPL across Model Params Hidden Intermediate Heads Layers Iteration Training tokens LLaMA 60M 512 1376 8 8 10K 1.3B 130M 768 2048 12 12 20K 2.6B 350M 1024 2736 16 24 60K 7.8B 1B 2048 5461 24 32 100K 13.1B 3B 2560 6848 32 32 120K 15.7B 7B 4096 11008 32 32 150K 19.7B Qwen 350M 1024 3328 16 26 60K 7.8B GPT 125M 768 3072 1...

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