arxiv: 2605.08582 · v1 · submitted 2026-05-09 · 🌀 gr-qc · astro-ph.GA· hep-th· physics.class-ph

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Black hole mass and distance from accretion disk astrophysical observables

J. R. Fern\'andez-Moreno , A. Gonz\'alez-Ju\'arez , A. Herrera-Aguilar

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keywords Schwarzschild black holefrequency shiftredshift rapidityorbital observablesblack hole massdistance to Earthpeculiar motion

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Analytical expressions determine Schwarzschild black hole mass and distance from orbital frequency shifts.

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The paper derives novel analytical expressions for the mass and distance of a Schwarzschild black hole as well as the orbital radius of test particles in terms of astrophysical observables from frequency shifts measured throughout the orbit. By modeling photons from symmetrically opposite emitters relative to the line of sight and introducing redshift rapidity, the expressions for mass and distance become independent. The work also provides closed formulas when the system has peculiar motion. A reader might care because this offers a direct way to infer black hole properties solely from observable frequency changes without additional assumptions about the system.

Core claim

Using a general relativistic description of frequency shifts from two emitters located symmetrically opposite each other with respect to the observer's line of sight, and defining the redshift rapidity, we obtain independent analytical expressions for the black hole mass and its distance to Earth, along with the orbital radius, in terms of observables measured along the entire orbit of the revolving particle. The study extends these closed formulas to the case of systems with peculiar motion.

What carries the argument

Redshift rapidity, which decouples the black hole mass and distance expressions from frequency shift data collected symmetrically around the orbit.

If this is right

Mass and distance are determined separately via redshift rapidity.
Orbital radius is expressed directly from the same observables.
Closed formulas hold even when the astrophysical system has peculiar motion.
All quantities follow from frequency shift measurements throughout the orbit.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

The method could apply to real accretion disk data around supermassive black holes to estimate parameters without dynamical modeling.
If the symmetry assumption holds only approximately, the formulas might still provide first-order estimates for mass and distance.
Extension to Kerr black holes would require generalizing the symmetric emitter positions and rapidity definition.
Comparison with existing mass estimates from stellar orbits or other techniques could validate or refine the approach.

Load-bearing premise

That frequency shifts can be measured cleanly along the full orbit from symmetrically opposite positions without dominant interference from other effects like disk turbulence or absorption.

What would settle it

Measuring the mass and distance for a known system like the black hole in the Milky Way center using this method and finding significant disagreement with established values from independent observations.

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In this work we derive novel analytical expressions for the mass and distance of a Schwarzschild black hole (BH), as well as for the orbital radius of test particles orbiting it, it terms of astrophysical observables measured throughout the entire orbit of the revolving particle. We use a general relativistic method to describe the frequency shifts of photons emitted in the vivinity of a BH by considering two emitters (or two positions of the same emitter) located symmetrically opposite to each other with respect to the observer's line of sight (LOS) when performing measurements along the orbit. Furthermore, the introduction of the redshift rapidity allows us to write independent expressions for the BH mass and its distance to Earth. We also extend our study to the case when astrophysical systems have a peculiar motion and derive the corresponding closed formulas.

Editorial analysis

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The paper supplies closed-form expressions for Schwarzschild black hole mass and distance from orbital frequency shifts by using symmetric emitter positions and a redshift rapidity variable to break the degeneracy.

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The central result is a set of analytic formulas that turn measured frequency shifts along an orbit into direct values for M, D, and orbital radius. The authors treat two positions (or two emitters) as symmetric with respect to the line of sight, then introduce redshift rapidity to separate the mass-distance product that usually appears in the shift. They also give the corresponding expressions when the system has peculiar motion. That construction is what the work actually adds; the rest follows from standard Schwarzschild geodesic and photon frequency calculations in the weak-field limit for the observer.

Referee Report

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Summary. The paper derives novel analytical expressions for the mass and distance of a Schwarzschild black hole, as well as for the orbital radius of test particles orbiting it, in terms of astrophysical observables (frequency shifts) measured throughout the entire orbit of the revolving particle. The approach uses a general relativistic description of photon frequency shifts by considering two emitters (or positions of the same emitter) located symmetrically opposite each other with respect to the observer's line of sight, and introduces a redshift rapidity variable to obtain independent expressions for mass and distance. Extensions to the case of peculiar motion are also provided with corresponding closed formulas.

Significance. If the derivations are correct, this work could offer a useful new method for determining black hole mass and distance directly from accretion disk frequency shift data, complementing existing techniques such as stellar dynamics or gravitational wave observations. The closed-form expressions and explicit treatment of peculiar motion represent strengths that could enable practical applications, provided the symmetry assumption can be realized in observations.

minor comments (3)

[Abstract] Abstract contains typographical errors: 'it terms' should be 'in terms' and 'vivinity' should be 'vicinity'.
[Methods or derivation section] The symmetry assumption for emitter positions is central but its practical selection from observational data (e.g., how to identify or approximate symmetric points along the orbit) would benefit from additional clarification to aid reproducibility.
[Results or discussion] Verification of the new expressions against known limits (such as the weak-field or Newtonian regime) is not mentioned in the provided abstract and should be included to strengthen confidence in the results.

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We thank the referee for the positive and accurate summary of our manuscript, which correctly identifies the novel closed-form expressions for Schwarzschild black hole mass, distance, and orbital radius derived from full-orbit frequency shift observables using symmetric emitter positions and redshift rapidity. We also appreciate the note on the extension to peculiar motion. The recommendation for minor revision is noted; however, the report contains no specific major comments requiring point-by-point rebuttal or manuscript changes.

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Derivation is self-contained from standard GR redshift formulas plus explicit symmetry assumption

full rationale

The paper constructs closed-form expressions for Schwarzschild mass M, distance D, and orbital radius directly from frequency-shift observables measured along the full orbit. It employs the standard general-relativistic photon frequency-shift formula in Schwarzschild spacetime, introduces the auxiliary redshift-rapidity variable to separate the M–D degeneracy, and invokes an explicit modeling assumption that two emitters (or positions) lie symmetrically opposite with respect to the line of sight. No step reduces by algebraic identity to a fitted parameter, no self-citation supplies a uniqueness theorem or ansatz, and the symmetry assumption is stated as an input rather than derived from the target quantities. The resulting formulas are therefore independent outputs of the chosen coordinate system and redshift definitions, not tautological restatements of the inputs.

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0 free parameters · 2 axioms · 1 invented entities

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axioms (2)

domain assumption Spacetime around the black hole is described by the Schwarzschild metric of general relativity
Invoked to compute gravitational and Doppler frequency shifts for orbiting emitters
domain assumption Test particles follow geodesic orbits and emit photons whose frequency shifts can be measured throughout the full orbit
Required for the symmetric-emitter construction and extraction of observables

invented entities (1)

redshift rapidity no independent evidence
purpose: To obtain independent expressions for black-hole mass and distance from the same set of frequency-shift observables
Introduced in the abstract as the key new device that decouples mass from distance

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We use a general relativistic method to describe the frequency shifts of photons emitted in the vicinity of a BH by considering two emitters ... symmetrically opposite ... redshift rapidity allows us to write independent expressions for the BH mass and its distance
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1 + zSchw = ... (gtt kt Ut + gφφ kφ Uφ)|e / (gtt kt Ut)|d ; redshift rapidity dz/dτe = ...

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