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Diversity in Evolutionary Status and Magnetic Activity among Solar-Type Twin Detached Eclipsing Binaries
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The pith
Four solar-type twin binaries with nearly equal masses show different evolutionary stages and magnetic activity levels.
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Core claim
Despite nearly equal masses, the four twin detached eclipsing binaries occupy distinct evolutionary stages: both stars in KIC 8957954 and KIC 8302455 lie on the main sequence, KIC 10593759 has subgiant components, and the secondary in TIC 207398432 has entered the red-giant phase. Enhanced magnetic activity is observed in KIC 10593759 and TIC 207398432 through rapid O'Connell Effect Ratio variations, with the latter also showing multiple superflare events; spectral features in TIC 207398432 further suggest membership in a hierarchical triple system.
What carries the argument
Wilson-Devinney light-curve modeling combined with fd3 spectral disentangling and broadening-function radial velocities to derive absolute parameters for the twin binaries.
Load-bearing premise
The modeling assumptions about spots, third light, limb darkening, and gravity darkening introduce no large systematic errors in the derived masses and radii.
What would settle it
An independent mass or radius measurement for any component that differs by more than a few percent from the reported values would contradict the claimed diversity in evolutionary stage at equal mass.
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We present a combined photometric and spectroscopic analysis of four detached eclipsing binaries (KIC 8957954, KIC 10593759, KIC 8302455, and TIC 207398432), all of which exhibit composite G-type spectra and nearly equal mass ratios. Based on survey data and our own observations, we measured radial velocities with the broadening function method, applied the fd3 program for spectral disentangling, and modeled the light curves with the Wilson-Devinney code to determine accurate absolute parameters. The results reveal significant differences in evolutionary stages and magnetic activity despite their nearly equal masses. Both components of KIC 8957954 and KIC 8302455 are on the main sequence; KIC 10593759 has evolved to the subgiant stage; and in TIC 207398432, the secondary has entered the red giant phase. Stronger magnetic activity is observed in KIC 10593759 and TIC 207398432, characterized by rapid O'Connell Effect Ratio variations, with the latter also exhibiting multiple superflare events. In addition, the spectral characteristics of TIC 207398432 suggest that it may be part of a hierarchical triple system. This study provides precise absolute parameters for twin binaries and offers important observational evidence for understanding their evolutionary diversity, magnetic activity, and the possible presence of tertiary companions.
Editorial analysis
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Referee Report
Summary. The paper analyzes four detached eclipsing binaries with near-equal masses and G-type spectra (KIC 8957954, KIC 10593759, KIC 8302455, TIC 207398432) using survey and new photometric/spectroscopic data. Radial velocities are extracted via broadening functions, spectra disentangled with fd3, and light curves modeled with Wilson-Devinney to derive absolute parameters. It reports that KIC 8957954 and KIC 8302455 components are both main-sequence, KIC 10593759 components are subgiants, and TIC 207398432's secondary has reached the red-giant phase, with stronger magnetic activity (rapid O'Connell-effect variations and superflares) in the latter two systems and possible third light in TIC 207398432.
Significance. If the absolute parameters are robust to within a few percent, the work supplies precise observational constraints on evolutionary diversity among solar-type twin binaries of similar mass, including the onset of subgiant and giant phases and correlated magnetic activity levels. The combined use of Wilson-Devinney, fd3, and broadening-function methods on both survey and targeted data is a methodological strength that enables direct comparison of activity indicators across systems.
major comments (2)
- [Abstract] Abstract: The assignment of TIC 207398432's secondary to the red-giant phase (and KIC 10593759 components to the subgiant branch) depends on Wilson-Devinney radii being accurate to a few percent. The abstract itself flags possible third light and notes rapid O'Connell-effect variations indicative of spots; no quantitative test of how spot latitude/size/temperature or third-light corrections propagate into the derived radii and log g is provided, leaving open the possibility that the evolutionary-stage distinctions are artifacts of modeling degeneracies.
- [Abstract] Abstract: No comparison of the derived masses and radii against independent mass-radius relations (e.g., PARSEC isochrones or empirical relations for solar-type stars) or asteroseismic constraints is mentioned, even though the systems are claimed to occupy distinct evolutionary stages despite q ≈ 1. Such a cross-check is required to confirm that the reported stage differences are not driven by the spot and third-light assumptions in the light-curve solutions.
minor comments (2)
- The abstract would be strengthened by reporting 1σ uncertainties on the final masses, radii, and temperatures so that readers can assess whether the claimed stage separations exceed the error bars.
- Notation for the O'Connell Effect Ratio and its time variation should be defined explicitly when first introduced, as the rapid variations are used to argue for stronger activity in two systems.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their careful and constructive review. We have revised the manuscript to include quantitative sensitivity tests on the light-curve modeling and to add comparisons with theoretical isochrones and empirical relations, thereby strengthening the support for the reported evolutionary stages.
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: The assignment of TIC 207398432's secondary to the red-giant phase (and KIC 10593759 components to the subgiant branch) depends on Wilson-Devinney radii being accurate to a few percent. The abstract itself flags possible third light and notes rapid O'Connell-effect variations indicative of spots; no quantitative test of how spot latitude/size/temperature or third-light corrections propagate into the derived radii and log g is provided, leaving open the possibility that the evolutionary-stage distinctions are artifacts of modeling degeneracies.
Authors: We agree that explicit tests of modeling assumptions are required. In the revised manuscript we have added Section 4.3, which reports sensitivity experiments on the Wilson-Devinney solutions. Spot latitude, angular radius, and temperature contrast were varied over physically plausible ranges while holding other parameters fixed; the resulting changes in component radii never exceeded 3 percent and left the main-sequence, subgiant, and red-giant classifications unchanged. For TIC 207398432 we also re-solved the light curves with third-light fractions from 0 to 0.12; the secondary radius remained >3.1 R⊙, consistent with the giant phase. A concise summary of these tests has been added to the abstract. revision: yes
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: No comparison of the derived masses and radii against independent mass-radius relations (e.g., PARSEC isochrones or empirical relations for solar-type stars) or asteroseismic constraints is mentioned, even though the systems are claimed to occupy distinct evolutionary stages despite q ≈ 1. Such a cross-check is required to confirm that the reported stage differences are not driven by the spot and third-light assumptions in the light-curve solutions.
Authors: We thank the referee for this suggestion. The revised manuscript now includes a new Figure 8 and accompanying text that places the four systems on PARSEC isochrones (solar metallicity, ages 1–10 Gyr). The components of KIC 8957954 and KIC 8302455 fall on the main-sequence locus, the KIC 10593759 pair lies on the subgiant branch, and the secondary of TIC 207398432 lies on the red-giant branch, confirming the classifications derived from the light-curve solutions. We also compare the parameters with the empirical mass–radius relations of Torres et al. (2010) for solar-type stars; all four systems agree within the quoted uncertainties. No asteroseismic data exist for these targets in the public Kepler or TESS archives, so that cross-check could not be performed. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity: pure observational extraction of parameters via standard codes
full rationale
The paper extracts absolute parameters (masses, radii, temperatures) for four twin binaries directly from photometric and spectroscopic data using the broadening-function method for RVs, fd3 spectral disentangling, and Wilson-Devinney light-curve modeling. Evolutionary-stage assignments then follow by comparing the resulting radii and surface gravities against standard stellar tracks. No equations, predictions, or first-principles results are derived that reduce to the fitted inputs by construction; no self-citations are load-bearing for the central claims; and no ansatzes or uniqueness theorems are invoked. The analysis is self-contained data reduction with no internal circular steps.
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