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Cross-attention scores in encoder-decoder speech-to-text models capture only about half of the input relevance identified by perturbation-based saliency maps, so the paper argues they cannot stand alone as explanations.

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load-bearing objection First systematic test of cross-attention as explanation in speech-to-text; the qualitative conclusion is solid, but the headline percentages overstate the precision and the reference saliency method is not independent. the 3 major comments →

arxiv 2509.18010 v2 pith:C66DJQH3 submitted 2025-09-22 cs.CL cs.AIcs.SD

Cross-Attention is Half Explanation in Speech-to-Text Models

classification cs.CL cs.AIcs.SD
keywords cross-attentionspeech-to-textexplainable AIsaliency mapsfeature attributioncontext mixingautomatic speech recognitionspeech translation
verification ladder T0 review T1 audit T2 compute T3 formal T4 reserved

The pith

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The paper tests a routine assumption in speech-to-text models: that the cross-attention weights connecting the decoder to the encoder show which parts of the audio actually drove each generated word. It compares those weights against saliency maps produced by a perturbation-based feature-attribution method, across monolingual and multilingual models, ASR and speech-translation tasks, and three model sizes. It finds that cross-attention correlates moderately to strongly with input saliency, especially when scores are averaged over heads and layers, but still accounts for only about half of the input relevance. Even when compared to saliency computed directly on encoder outputs, the numbers reach only 52–75% of what the saliency reference shows. The conclusion is practical: cross-attention is a cheap, partial signal that can complement attribution methods, but it should not be treated as a stand-alone explanation, especially in applications like timestamp estimation and alignment.

Core claim

Central claim: in encoder-decoder speech-to-text models, cross-attention is only a partial explanation. On the monolingual ASR model the best head/layer aggregation correlates at about 0.59 with input saliency; on multitask multilingual models layer-averaged correlations run 0.49–0.63, which the paper reads as 49–63% of input relevance. Against encoder-output saliency—where context mixing is no longer a confound—correlations rise by 0.03–0.18 but plateau at 52–75%. A deletion check on the base model sharpens the point: cross-attention scores 41.2, frequency-aggregated saliency 52.9, full-resolution saliency 91.3. The paper takes this as evidence that cross-attention is an auxiliary cue, not

What carries the argument

The load-bearing comparison objects are the cross-attention matrix, extracted from each decoder layer and head during generation, and two saliency references: input saliency maps, obtained by perturbing spectrogram regions and measuring KL divergence in the output distribution, and encoder-output saliency maps, computed by perturbing encoder hidden states. The cross-attention matrix is averaged over selected heads and layers; saliency maps are aggregated across frequency and time to the same temporal resolution. The correlations between flattened attention and saliency vectors are measured with Pearson correlation, and the difference between input-level and encoder-output-level correlations

Load-bearing premise

The central numbers depend on treating the perturbation-based saliency maps as a silver reference for what the model truly uses; if that reference is biased, the measured gap could be an artifact of the reference rather than a property of cross-attention, as the paper itself acknowledges in its limitations section.

What would settle it

Run the same correlation and deletion pipeline with an independent reference—manually aligned word or phoneme boundaries, or a second feature-attribution method—and check whether cross-attention matches that reference far better than it matches the paper's saliency baseline. In particular, an attention-based deletion score near the full-resolution saliency score (91.3 on the paper's base model, versus 41.2 for attention) would falsify the 'half explanation' conclusion.

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If this is right

  • Downstream tools that use cross-attention for timestamp prediction, audio-text alignment, or guided simultaneous translation should stop relying on a single head or layer; averaging over heads and, where possible, layers is closer to the saliency reference.
  • Because cross-attention aligns better with encoder-output saliency than with input saliency, attention-based explanations are better read as descriptions of how the decoder uses encoded representations, not of which raw audio regions matter.
  • Cross-attention cannot replace feature-attribution methods for faithful explanations; its upper range of 52–75% against encoder-output saliency leaves too much unexplained for it to stand alone.
  • The last decoder layers are consistently the most aligned with saliency across tasks, languages, and model sizes, so layer choice is consequential if attention is used at all.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • A plausible editorial extension: if the ~50% gap holds, attention-map visualizations shipped in real products (e.g., timestamped transcriptions) should carry a confidence caveat and be cross-checked against forced alignment rather than presented as ground truth.
  • A natural extension the paper mentions but does not test is to train with an auxiliary loss that pulls cross-attention toward saliency maps or monotonic alignment; the results here predict that such regularization would improve both faithfulness and downstream word-level accuracy.
  • The paper deliberately excludes speech-LLM architectures; since those models add a second encoder-decoder boundary, the context-mixing effect measured here could be larger there, making cross-attention an even weaker explanation for that family.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 5 minor

Summary. The paper investigates whether cross-attention scores in encoder-decoder speech-to-text (S2T) models can serve as explanations. It compares cross-attention to SPES-based input saliency maps and to an ad-hoc encoder-output saliency variant across monolingual ASR, multilingual/multitask ASR+ST models, at three scales and two languages. The main findings are that averaged cross-attention correlates moderately with input saliency (up to about 0.63) and more strongly with encoder-output saliency (up to about 0.75), but that cross-attention still 'captures only about 50% of input relevance' and only 52-75% of encoder-output saliency. The paper concludes that cross-attention is an informative but incomplete explanation proxy and should not be used as a stand-alone XAI tool.

Significance. If the headline quantitative claim is reliable, this is a useful and timely contribution: it directly tests a widely made assumption in speech-to-text research and has implications for timestamp estimation, alignment, and simultaneous translation. The experimental design has clear strengths: models are trained from scratch to avoid contamination; the analysis spans multiple tasks, languages, and scales; aggregation choices are ablated; and the deletion metric provides a behavioral check on explanation quality. The paper is also transparent about its limitations. The main concern is that the central percentages rest on a single attribution reference and on an invalid reading of Pearson correlation as a proportion of relevance.

major comments (3)
  1. [Section 5.1.2, Section 5.2, Tables 2-3] The paper converts Pearson r values directly into percentages of 'total input relevance' and 'saliency' (e.g., '49-63%' and '52-75%' in Sections 5.1.2 and 5.2). A Pearson correlation is not a share of relevance; the proportion of shared variance is r^2. Under the reported numbers, r=0.63 corresponds to roughly 40% shared variance and r=0.75 to roughly 56%. Even r^2 would require the additional assumption that shared variance equals captured relevance. The quantitative headline in the abstract and conclusions is therefore not supported by the statistic used. Please reframe these percentages or replace them with a directly interpretable metric such as the deletion AUC already used in Appendix A. The qualitative conclusion may survive the correction, but the exact numbers must be revised.
  2. [Section 3.2, Appendix F] The load-bearing claim that cross-attention 'captures only about 50% of the input relevance' is measured entirely against SPES, and the encoder-output claim is measured against SMH, an ad-hoc variant of SPES. SPES comes from the same research group (Fucci et al., 2025, with overlapping authorship), and SMH is validated only by the dev-set deletion experiment in Appendix D. If SPES or SMH is biased or incomplete, the measured gap between cross-attention and saliency is not a faithful measure of cross-attention's explanatory power. The limitation appendix acknowledges this in principle, but the abstract and conclusions present the gap as a property of cross-attention rather than as a comparison relative to one attribution method. Please add at least one independent attribution baseline (e.g., a gradient-based or perturbation method not developed by the same group) or a sensitivity analysis
  3. [Section 5.2, first paragraph] The 'context mixing' influence is quantified as '6.6-16.7%' from absolute differences in Pearson r between SMX and SMH. An absolute difference in correlation coefficients is not a percentage of explained behavior, and no derivation is provided to link a change in r to a fraction of context mixing. This should either be derived formally or, more conservatively, reported simply as a range of correlation improvements.
minor comments (5)
  1. [Title/Abstract] The title is typeset as 'CROSS-ATTENTION ISHALF EXPLANATION' in the preprint; there should be a space between 'IS' and 'HALF'.
  2. [Table 5] The row for 'Whisper 10.69.0- 0.797 - -' appears malformed; the table columns do not align cleanly for the comparison models.
  3. [Figure 4] Panel (i) is labeled 'CA(enASR)' but appears in the row for it-ASR; this is likely a typo and should be corrected.
  4. [Appendix E] There is a duplicated phrase: 'this pattern this pattern is absent' should read 'this pattern is absent'.
  5. [Tables 2 and 3] The captions read 'Person ρ' instead of 'Pearson ρ'.

Circularity Check

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No circular derivation; empirical comparison with a self-cited baseline is a limitation, not a circularity.

full rationale

The paper's central claims are empirical measurements: Pearson correlations between cross-attention matrices (CA) and saliency maps (SMX, SMH). The saliency reference is SPES (Fucci et al., 2025), a method developed by overlapping authors, which the paper explicitly calls a 'silver reference' in Appendix F. This raises a legitimate concern about the independence of the gold standard, but it does not constitute circularity in the technical sense. CA is computed as a softmax of query-key dot products (Section 3.1), while SMX and SMH are produced by perturbation-based KL divergence (Section 3.2). There is no equation that defines one in terms of the other, and no fitted parameter is renamed as a prediction. The choice of aggregation function (Appendix A) and the occlusion probability pH (Appendix D) are tuned on a dev set, and the reported correlations are computed on a held-out test set, so the headline percentages are not forced by construction. The paper also provides deletion-metric validation of the reference explanations (Appendix C, Table 5). The self-citation to SPES is load-bearing only as the choice of reference method; the central derivation—the observed gap between CA and saliency—is empirical and could have produced different values. The acknowledged limitation in Appendix F is a validity threat, not a circularity. Therefore, no significant circularity is present.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

4 free parameters · 4 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central measurement is an empirical comparison, not a derivation. It depends on the truthfulness of the reference saliency maps, the aggregation and normalization choices, and the statistical metric used to quantify agreement. No new physical entities or fitted theoretical constants are introduced.

free parameters (4)
  • p_H (encoder-output occlusion probability) = 0.7
    Tuned on the dev set to maximize deletion score and CA-SMH correlation (Appendix D); directly shapes the SMH reference maps.
  • p_X (input occlusion probability) = 0.5
    Inherited from SPES configuration; probability of masking spectrogram clusters when computing SMX.
  • SMX aggregation function = 2D max pooling
    Selected on dev set via deletion metric among three pooling options (Appendix A); changes the SMX values and thus all input correlations.
  • N_X / N_H perturbation repeats = 20,000
    Fixed following SPES; larger values reduce noise but do not change the method.
axioms (4)
  • domain assumption SPES saliency maps are a valid 'silver' reference for input and encoder-output relevance.
    The paper states no gold reference exists and adopts SPES as the state of the art (Section 3.2, Appendix F). If SPES is biased, the measured gap is not true explanatory power.
  • domain assumption Pearson correlation between flattened CA and SM vectors measures alignment of relevance patterns.
    Section 3.3 justifies Pearson over rank-based metrics, but the results section reads r as a proportion of explained relevance, conflating r with r-squared.
  • domain assumption Zero-perturbation of encoder hidden states or spectrogram patches faithfully estimates each feature's contribution.
    Perturbation-based attribution assumes that removing a feature and measuring output change approximates the feature's causal contribution.
  • domain assumption Cross-attention scores operate over encoder states, so comparing them with SMH (computed on the same states) is the correct isolation of context mixing.
    Section 5.2 interprets the increase from SMX to SMH correlation as quantifying context mixing; this assumes no other confound differs between the two saliency computations.

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Cross-attention is a core mechanism in encoder-decoder architectures, widespread in many fields, including speech-to-text (S2T) processing. Its scores have been repurposed for various downstream applications--such as timestamp estimation and audio-text alignment--under the assumption that they reflect the dependencies between input speech representation and the generated text. While the explanatory nature of attention mechanisms has been widely debated in the broader NLP literature, this assumption remains largely unexplored within the speech domain. To address this gap, we assess the explanatory power of cross-attention in S2T models by comparing its scores to input saliency maps derived from feature attribution. Our analysis spans monolingual and multilingual, single-task and multi-task models at multiple scales, and shows that attention scores moderately to strongly align with saliency-based explanations, particularly when aggregated across heads and layers. However, it also shows that cross-attention captures only about 50% of the input relevance and, in the best case, only partially reflects how the decoder attends to the encoder's representations--accounting for just 52-75% of the saliency. These findings uncover fundamental limitations in interpreting cross-attention as an explanatory proxy, suggesting that it offers an informative yet incomplete view of the factors driving predictions in S2T models.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2509.18010 by Dennis Fucci, Luisa Bentivogli, Marco Gaido, Matteo Negri, Sara Papi.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Visual representation of which part of the model is covered by [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Input (a) and encoder output (b) saliency maps and cross-attention matrix (c) extracted from [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: An example of SMX maps for the predicted sentence “What is important are the options, not quantity”. The frequency axis is represented in Hertz on a logarithmic scale. These results indicate that global averaging over time and frequency may obscure localized salient regions, and this is particularly impactful in the frequency dimension, where preserving saliency seems to play a crucial role. This is due to… view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Example of input (first column) and encoder output (second column) saliency maps and [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p025_4.png] view at source ↗

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