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arxiv: 2605.29402 · v1 · pith:HU56BFCMnew · submitted 2026-05-28 · 💻 cs.CV · cs.AI

Semantic and Visual Evidence for Efficient Long-Video Reasoning: A Solution for the HD-EPIC VQA Challenge

Yinsong Xu , Wei Jing , Liuxin Zhang , Wanjun Lv , Hui Li This is my paper

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keywords long-video reasoningegocentric videovideo question answeringmultimodal large language modelssemantic evidencevisual evidenceevidence retrievalHD-EPIC benchmark
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Long-video reasoning succeeds when MLLMs retrieve and combine semantic procedural evidence with object-centric visual evidence on demand.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper tackles why multimodal large language models still struggle with long egocentric videos even when given extended context: they lose fine details and overall structure. It separates the problem into two explicit evidence streams. Semantic evidence builds a global view of actions and steps through layered extraction. Visual evidence keeps precise object locations and appearances via bounding boxes and embeddings. At question time the model pulls only the matching pieces from each stream and merges them, rather than processing the entire video at once. This produces competitive scores on the HD-EPIC benchmark tasks.

Core claim

The authors establish that long-video reasoning in MLLMs can be reframed as query-conditioned retrieval and integration of two complementary evidence sources: semantic evidence that encodes global procedural structure through a coarse-to-fine pipeline, and object-centric visual evidence that preserves fine-grained grounding through bounding boxes and embeddings, yielding competitive performance across HD-EPIC-VQA task categories.

What carries the argument

Query-conditioned evidence retrieval and integration process that dynamically selects and merges semantic evidence (coarse-to-fine procedural structure) and visual evidence (bounding-box embeddings).

If this is right

  • Explicit separation of semantic and visual evidence enables competitive results on diverse long egocentric VQA tasks.
  • Dynamic, query-driven selection reduces the impact of context-length limits in current MLLMs.
  • The same structuring and retrieval steps apply across multiple categories of the HD-EPIC challenge.
  • Effective long-video understanding requires both global procedural structure and localized visual detail rather than raw video alone.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same evidence-decoupling pattern could be tested on non-egocentric long videos if extraction pipelines are swapped for domain-appropriate ones.
  • By keeping evidence sources explicit, the method may allow easier diagnosis of which part of a video answer fails.
  • Efficiency gains may appear when the retrieval step replaces full-video encoding in resource-constrained settings.

Load-bearing premise

The coarse-to-fine semantic pipeline and bounding-box visual embeddings can be chosen and combined on the fly without losing essential grounding or introducing retrieval mistakes.

What would settle it

A direct comparison on HD-EPIC questions that hinge on precise object appearance or exact step order, where the dynamic retrieval version scores lower than an otherwise identical full-context baseline.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.29402 by Hui Li, Liuxin Zhang, Wanjun Lv, Wei Jing, Yinsong Xu.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Comparison between direct long-video reasoning and [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p001_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Overview of the proposed two-stage framework. (a) Offline construction builds reusable semantic evidence through coarse [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_2.png] view at source ↗
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Understanding long-form egocentric videos remains challenging for multimodal large language models (MLLMs) due to limited context length and insufficient grounding of fine-grained visual details. The recently proposed HD-EPIC benchmark highlights these limitations: even strong long-context models achieve relatively low performance across diverse video question answering tasks. In this paper, we propose a unified framework that decouples long-video reasoning into two complementary forms of evidence: semantic evidence and visual evidence. Semantic evidence captures global procedural structure through a coarse-to-fine extraction pipeline, while object-centric visual evidence preserves fine-grained grounding through bounding boxes and visual embeddings. During inference, we formulate reasoning as a query-conditioned evidence retrieval and integration process, dynamically selecting relevant information from both sources. Our approach achieves competitive performance in the HD-EPIC-VQA Challenge across multiple task categories. More broadly, our results demonstrate that explicitly structuring, retrieving, and integrating semantic and visual evidence is critical for effective long-video understanding with MLLMs.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript proposes a unified framework for long-video egocentric VQA that decouples reasoning into semantic evidence (captured via a coarse-to-fine procedural extraction pipeline) and visual evidence (object-centric bounding boxes with visual embeddings). At inference, query-conditioned retrieval and integration dynamically select from both sources. The central claim is that this explicit structuring yields competitive performance on the HD-EPIC VQA Challenge across task categories, addressing MLLM limitations in context length and fine-grained grounding.

Significance. If the performance claims are substantiated, the work would provide a modular, evidence-structured alternative to end-to-end long-context MLLM processing for video QA. The separation of procedural semantic structure from object-centric visual details aligns with known challenges in egocentric video understanding and could inform retrieval-augmented architectures more broadly.

major comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the claim that the approach 'achieves competitive performance in the HD-EPIC-VQA Challenge across multiple task categories' is presented without any quantitative results, baseline comparisons, ablation studies, or error analysis. This absence makes the central empirical claim impossible to evaluate against the manuscript's own evidence.

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We thank the referee for their detailed review and constructive feedback. We address the major comment below regarding the abstract. The full manuscript contains the empirical details in the experimental sections, but we agree the abstract can be improved for immediate evaluability.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the claim that the approach 'achieves competitive performance in the HD-EPIC-VQA Challenge across multiple task categories' is presented without any quantitative results, baseline comparisons, ablation studies, or error analysis. This absence makes the central empirical claim impossible to evaluate against the manuscript's own evidence.

    Authors: We thank the referee for highlighting this point. The manuscript's Experiments section (Section 4) and associated tables/figures provide the quantitative results across task categories on the HD-EPIC benchmark, direct comparisons to long-context MLLM baselines, ablation studies isolating the contributions of semantic procedural evidence and object-centric visual evidence retrieval, and error analysis. The abstract is written as a high-level summary of these findings. To make the central claim immediately evaluable from the abstract itself, we will revise the abstract to include key performance numbers, baseline comparisons, and a brief mention of the ablations. revision: yes

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full rationale

The paper presents a high-level methodological framework for decoupling semantic (coarse-to-fine procedural) and visual (object-centric bounding-box) evidence in long-video VQA, with query-conditioned retrieval and integration at inference. No equations, fitted parameters, or derivations are described in the provided text. The central claim is an empirical performance statement evaluated on the HD-EPIC benchmark rather than a mathematical reduction. No self-citations are invoked as load-bearing uniqueness theorems, no ansatzes are smuggled, and no predictions reduce to inputs by construction. The derivation chain is self-contained as an engineering description without circular steps.

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