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Generalized regular representations of big wreath products

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Central measures on an analogue of the virtual permutations space determine the irreducible decomposition of generalized regular representations of big wreath products.

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The paper extends the harmonic analysis of the infinite symmetric group to big wreath products G_∞ formed by any finite group G with the infinite symmetric group. It constructs the space 𝔖_G as the suitable analogue of virtual permutations equipped with a natural G_∞ action. The paper characterizes all central probability measures on 𝔖_G and uses them to describe how the generalized regular representations T_{z1,…,zk} decompose into irreducible components. A sympathetic reader cares because the two-sided regular representations of these groups are irreducible, so the conventional scheme of harmonic analysis does not apply and a new construction is required.

Core claim

The paper constructs an analogue 𝔖_G of the space of virtual permutations for the big wreath product G_∞ = G ≀ S(∞). It proves a theorem characterizing all central probability measures on 𝔖_G. It introduces the generalized regular representations T_{z1,…,zk} of G_∞ and shows that their decomposition into irreducible components is given by these central measures.

What carries the argument

The space 𝔖_G, the analogue of virtual permutations for G that carries a G_∞ action whose central probability measures parametrize the irreducible components appearing in each T_{z1,…,zk}.

If this is right

  • Every central measure on 𝔖_G corresponds to a decomposition of some generalized regular representation T_{z1,…,zk} into irreducibles of G_∞.
  • The classification of central measures extends directly from the case of S(∞) to G_∞ for any finite G with k conjugacy classes.
  • The parameters z1 to zk are indexed by the conjugacy classes of G and control the multiplicities in the decompositions.
  • When G is the trivial group the construction reduces to the known decomposition theory for the infinite symmetric group.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same space 𝔖_G and measure classification could be used to study other families of representations of G_∞ beyond the T series.
  • Numerical checks of the measure-to-decomposition correspondence for small G would provide concrete verification of the parametrization.
  • The multiple parameters z_i suggest a colored or multi-type version of the partition measures that appear in the symmetric-group case.

Load-bearing premise

The space 𝔖_G can be constructed as a suitable analogue of virtual permutations that admits a natural action of G_∞ allowing its central measures to be classified by the same methods used for S(∞).

What would settle it

An explicit central probability measure on 𝔖_G, for a concrete small G such as the cyclic group of order two, whose associated parameters do not produce the predicted irreducible decomposition of the corresponding T representation.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: An element ((g1, . . . , gn), s) as a bipartite graph. The symbols g1, . . ., gn can be understood as the weights of the corresponding edges. G∗ = {c1, . . . , ck} 1 . Let S(n) be the symmetric group of degree n, i.e. the group of permutations of the finite set {1, . . . , n}. The wreath product G ∼ S(n) is the group whose underlying set is G n × S(n) = {((g1, . . . , gn), s) : gi ∈ G, s ∈ S(n)} . The mult… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: The multiplication of two group elements in terms of bipartite graphs. by reading of the weights of the corresponding edges in the direction of the arrows. The element st of S(n) is obtained as in the usual graphical representation of multiplication of two elements of the symmetric group S(n). Let x = ((g1, . . . , gn), s) ∈ G ∼ S(n). The permutation s can be written as a product of disjoint cycles. If (i1… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: The definition of the canonical projection pn,n+1. In this example n = 6, and the original element of G ∼ S(7) is ((g1, g2, g3, g4, g5, g6, g7),(13)(26475)). The cycle including n + 1 = 7 is 2 → 6 → 4 → 7 → 5, and gn+1 = g7, gim = g4, gim+1 = g5. We add the extra edge (the red dashed line) connecting the vertices 7 and g7. As a result we obtain a graph with an edge connecting g5 with 4, and passing through… view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: The maps between the representation spaces Then the inductive limits of {Tn} ∞ n=1 and {Sn} ∞ n=1 are well defined, and these inductive limits are equivalent representations. Proof. Let us check that the isometric embedding ϱn : H (Sn) → H (Sn+1) intertwines the G(n)-representations Sn and Sn+1|G(n) , i.e. let us check that the condition (6.3) Sn+1(g)ϱn ˜ζ = ϱnSn(g) ˜ζ is satisfied for each ˜ζ ∈ H (Sn), an… view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: The equivalence of inductive limits is defined by (6.6) in such a way that the condition F n+1 z1,...,zk ◦ αn = L n z1,...,zk ◦ F n z1,...,zk is satisfied, and the nth block of the diagram shown on [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p030_5.png] view at source ↗
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Let $G$ be a finite group with $k$ conjugacy classes, and $S(\infty)$ be the infinite symmetric group, i.e. the group of finite permutations of $\left\{1,2,3,\ldots\right\}$. Then the wreath product $G_{\infty}=G\sim S(\infty)$ of $G$ with $S(\infty)$ (called the big wreath product) can be defined. The group $G_{\infty}$ is a generalization of the infinite symmetric group, and it is an example of a ``big'' group, in Vershik's terminology. For such groups the two-sided regular representations are irreducible, the conventional scheme of harmonic analysis is not applicable, and the problem of harmonic analysis is a nontrivial problem with connections to different areas of mathematics and mathematical physics. Harmonic analysis on the infinite symmetric group was developed in the works by Kerov, Olshanski, and Vershik, and Borodin and Olshanski. The goal of this paper is to extend this theory to the case of $G_{\infty}$. In particular, we construct an analogue $\mathfrak{S}_{G}$ of the space of virtual permutations. We then formulate and prove a theorem characterizing all central probability measures on $\mathfrak{S}_{G}$, and introduce generalized regular representations $T_{z_1,\ldots,z_k}$ of the big wreath product $G_{\infty}$. The paper solves a natural problem of harmonic analysis for the big wreath products: our results describe the decomposition of $T_{z_1,\ldots,z_k}$ into irreducible components.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper extends harmonic analysis from the infinite symmetric group S(∞) to big wreath products G_∞ = G ≀ S(∞) for finite G with k conjugacy classes. It constructs an analogue 𝔖_G of the space of virtual permutations, formulates and proves a characterization of all central probability measures on 𝔖_G, introduces generalized regular representations T_{z1,…,zk} of G_∞, and claims to describe the decomposition of these representations into irreducible components.

Significance. If the construction of 𝔖_G and the classification of its central measures are valid, the work provides a direct generalization of the Kerov–Olshanski–Vershik–Borodin theory to wreath products, addressing harmonic analysis on Vershik’s “big” groups where ordinary regular representations are irreducible. This would connect representation theory, ergodic theory, and mathematical physics in a natural way.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract / main construction section] The central claim (abstract) that 𝔖_G carries a natural G_∞-action under which central measures are classifiable by the same ergodic methods as for virtual permutations of S(∞) is load-bearing. Because G has k conjugacy classes, the wreath product introduces additional cycle-type data; the manuscript must supply an explicit definition of 𝔖_G together with the action and the classification theorem (including any necessary adjustments to the parametrization) before the decomposition of T_{z1,…,zk} can be assessed.
  2. [Abstract] No derivation steps, measure constructions, or explicit formulas for the central measures or the decomposition of T_{z1,…,zk} are visible. Without these, it is impossible to verify whether the classification extends without new invariants or a modified parametrization.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] Notation for the generalized regular representations T_{z1,…,zk} should be introduced with a brief reminder of the parameters z_i and their relation to the k conjugacy classes.

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We thank the referee for the careful reading and the recommendation of major revision. The comments correctly identify that the abstract does not sufficiently preview the explicit constructions and formulas; we will revise to improve accessibility while noting that the full details appear in the body of the manuscript.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract / main construction section] The central claim (abstract) that 𝔖_G carries a natural G_∞-action under which central measures are classifiable by the same ergodic methods as for virtual permutations of S(∞) is load-bearing. Because G has k conjugacy classes, the wreath product introduces additional cycle-type data; the manuscript must supply an explicit definition of 𝔖_G together with the action and the classification theorem (including any necessary adjustments to the parametrization) before the decomposition of T_{z1,…,zk} can be assessed.

    Authors: Section 2 gives the explicit definition of the space 𝔖_G of virtual G-permutations. Section 3 defines the natural action of G_∞ on 𝔖_G. Section 4 states and proves the classification theorem for central probability measures on 𝔖_G; the parametrization is adjusted to incorporate the cycle-type data arising from the k conjugacy classes of G, and the proof proceeds by the same ergodic-theoretic methods used for S(∞). These sections therefore supply the load-bearing ingredients before the decomposition of the representations T_{z1,…,zk} is treated in later sections. We will add a concise outline of the definition, action, and adjusted parametrization to the abstract. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Abstract] No derivation steps, measure constructions, or explicit formulas for the central measures or the decomposition of T_{z1,…,zk} are visible. Without these, it is impossible to verify whether the classification extends without new invariants or a modified parametrization.

    Authors: The abstract summarizes the results; the explicit constructions of the central measures, the derivation steps, and the formulas for their parametrization appear in Section 4. The decomposition of each generalized regular representation T_{z1,…,zk} into irreducible components, together with the necessary adjustments to the parametrization, is derived in Sections 5 and 6. The classification extends the S(∞) theory with a modified parametrization that accounts for the conjugacy classes of G but does not require entirely new invariants. We will insert a brief sketch of the main formulas into the revised abstract to make these elements visible at the summary level. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; central objects defined by direct construction.

full rationale

The paper defines 𝔖_G explicitly as an analogue of the space of virtual permutations and states that it carries a natural G_∞ action, then proves a characterization of central measures on it. No quoted step reduces a claimed prediction or decomposition to a fitted parameter, self-referential definition, or load-bearing self-citation chain. The derivation chain consists of a new construction followed by a theorem whose proof is asserted to be independent; this matches the default case of a self-contained argument against external benchmarks.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 1 invented entities

The paper introduces the new space 𝔖_G and the family of representations T_{z1,...,zk} by direct construction; no numerical parameters are fitted and the background consists of standard facts from group theory and the prior theory of virtual permutations.

axioms (1)
  • standard math Standard facts of finite-group representation theory and the theory of central measures on the infinite symmetric group (as developed by Kerov-Olshanski-Vershik).
    Invoked to transfer the classification technique from S(∞) to the wreath-product setting.
invented entities (1)
  • Space 𝔖_G of virtual G-permutations no independent evidence
    purpose: Serves as the underlying space on which central probability measures are defined and on which the generalized regular representations act.
    New object constructed to generalize the virtual-permutation space; no independent existence proof outside the paper is supplied.

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