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arxiv: 2606.01281 · v1 · pith:TOLPITQ7new · submitted 2026-05-31 · 💻 cs.LG · cs.AI

RLVR without Ineffective Samples: Group Prioritized Off-Policy Optimization for LLM Reasoning

Yixiu Mao , Yun Qu , Qi Wang , Heming Zou , Xiangyang Ji This is my paper

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classification 💻 cs.LG cs.AI
keywords RLVRLLM reasoningoff-policy optimizationgroup replayreinforcement learningineffective samplesimportance samplingverifiable rewards
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POPO replaces ineffective on-policy sample groups with effective off-policy ones using recency-based replay to speed up LLM reasoning RL without added rollouts.

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The paper addresses the issue of ineffective training data in RLVR for LLMs, where many prompts produce response groups with zero variance in rewards and thus no learning signal. It introduces Group Prioritized Off-Policy Optimization (POPO) consisting of prioritized group replay and decoupled off-policy optimization. The replay mechanism replaces ineffective on-policy groups with effective off-policy groups based on recency, quality, and off-policiness. This allows full use of effective batches without additional rollout costs. Experiments show it accelerates training and achieves strong performance with fewer rollouts on math, planning, and visual geometry tasks.

Core claim

By replacing ineffective on-policy groups with effective off-policy groups through a recency-based replay mechanism that jointly considers sample quality and the degree of off-policiness, and by using decoupled importance sampling to correct off-policy bias under consistent trust-region constraints, POPO fully exploits effective training batches without additional rollout overhead and substantially accelerates RL finetuning for LLM reasoning.

What carries the argument

The recency-based replay mechanism that jointly considers sample quality and the degree of off-policiness, combined with decoupled importance sampling for bias correction.

If this is right

  • RL finetuning accelerates substantially across reasoning tasks.
  • Strong reasoning performance is achieved with significantly fewer rollouts.
  • Computational overhead from extensive LLM rollouts for filtering is avoided.
  • Systematic bias or suboptimal constraints from alternative methods are mitigated.
  • Effective training batches are fully exploited without extra costs.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • This approach could reduce the total computational cost of developing reasoning-capable LLMs.
  • It may extend to other reinforcement learning domains where reward variance is frequently zero.
  • Combining the replay with other efficiency techniques like predictive sampling could yield further gains.
  • The method's reliance on off-policy data suggests potential benefits in continual learning settings for LLMs.

Load-bearing premise

The recency-based replay mechanism can reliably replace ineffective on-policy groups with effective off-policy groups without introducing systematic bias or suboptimal constraints.

What would settle it

An experiment where the final reasoning performance of POPO-trained models falls below that of a baseline that simply discards ineffective samples and generates new on-policy ones, when total rollout budget is equalized.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2606.01281 by Heming Zou, Qi Wang, Xiangyang Ji, Yixiu Mao, Yun Qu.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Framework overview of POPO. During RLVR training, ineffective online groups are [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Training curves of different methods across three reasoning tasks with varying model sizes. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: Proportion of effective samples within training batches across different RLVR methods. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Training curves of different methods as a function of the number of LLM rollouts. Rollout and Runtime Efficiency. We further compare methods in terms of rollout usage and runtime. Tables 1 and 2 list the total number of generated rollouts and runtime for each task, and [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Ablation study on Countdown, including variants that use KL-based replay (POPO-KL), [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_5.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: (a) Final performance of POPO and DAPO on Countdown under varying batch replen [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_6.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 7. Figure 7: Training curves of different methods across tasks as a function of LLM rollout count. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p020_7.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 8. Figure 8: Test performance, effective sample ratio, and on-policy sample ratio on the DeepScaleR [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p020_8.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 9. Figure 9: Comparison of the average response length across different RLVR methods. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p021_9.png] view at source ↗
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Reinforcement learning with verifiable rewards (RLVR) has emerged as a powerful paradigm for enhancing the reasoning capabilities of large language models (LLMs). However, its effectiveness is substantially hindered by the prevalence of ineffective training data: many sampled prompts yield response groups that are either entirely correct or entirely incorrect, resulting in zero-variance rewards and limited learning signals. Recent state-of-the-art methods address this issue through extensive LLM rollouts to filter ineffective samples, but at the cost of considerable computational overhead. Alternative approaches, including predictive sampling and trajectory replay, aim to improve data efficiency but often remain insufficient and may introduce additional issues such as systematic bias or suboptimal constraints. To address these limitations, we propose Group Prioritized Off-Policy Optimization (POPO), a simple yet effective framework that fully exploits effective training batches without additional rollout overhead. POPO comprises two key components: prioritized group replay and decoupled off-policy optimization. The former replaces ineffective on-policy groups with effective off-policy groups via a recency-based replay mechanism that jointly considers sample quality and the degree of off-policiness. To further mitigate the off-policy gap, POPO employs decoupled importance sampling to correct off-policy bias while maintaining stable policy updates under consistent trust-region constraints. Empirical evaluations across diverse reasoning tasks, including mathematics, planning, and visual geometry, demonstrate that POPO substantially accelerates RL finetuning and achieves strong reasoning performance with significantly fewer rollouts.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript proposes Group Prioritized Off-Policy Optimization (POPO) for reinforcement learning with verifiable rewards (RLVR) on LLMs. It identifies ineffective samples (zero-variance response groups) as a bottleneck and introduces two components: (1) prioritized group replay that replaces ineffective on-policy groups with effective off-policy groups using a recency-based score combining sample quality and off-policiness, and (2) decoupled importance sampling that corrects off-policy bias while preserving trust-region constraints. The central claim is that POPO accelerates RL finetuning and attains strong reasoning performance across mathematics, planning, and visual geometry tasks while using substantially fewer rollouts than prior methods that rely on extensive filtering or predictive sampling.

Significance. If the empirical claims and unbiasedness of the replay mechanism hold, the work would address a practical inefficiency in RLVR pipelines by reducing rollout overhead without sacrificing learning signal. This could lower the computational barrier for scaling reasoning improvements in LLMs. The approach builds on established off-policy techniques but applies them at the group level; confirmation via ablations and bias analysis would strengthen its contribution to data-efficient RL for language models.

major comments (2)
  1. [Method (prioritized group replay)] Method section on prioritized group replay: the description states that the recency-based mechanism 'jointly considers sample quality and the degree of off-policiness' to substitute groups, yet no derivation or proof is supplied showing that the induced group distribution remains unbiased (or that any residual bias is fully canceled) once decoupled importance sampling is applied. If recency correlates with prompt difficulty or response length, the effective sampling distribution may deviate from the on-policy target in ways not corrected by per-token ratios under trust-region constraints.
  2. [Experiments] Empirical evaluations section: the abstract asserts 'substantially accelerates RL finetuning' and 'significantly fewer rollouts' across tasks, but the provided text contains no quantitative results, baseline comparisons, rollout counts, variance estimates, or ablation studies isolating the replay versus decoupled-IS components. Without these, the acceleration claim cannot be assessed for magnitude or robustness.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] The abstract refers to 'decoupled importance sampling' and 'consistent trust-region constraints' without defining the precise form of the importance weights or the trust-region objective; adding these equations would improve clarity.

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We thank the referee for the constructive feedback and the recommendation for major revision. We address each major comment point by point below.

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  1. Referee: [Method (prioritized group replay)] Method section on prioritized group replay: the description states that the recency-based mechanism 'jointly considers sample quality and the degree of off-policiness' to substitute groups, yet no derivation or proof is supplied showing that the induced group distribution remains unbiased (or that any residual bias is fully canceled) once decoupled importance sampling is applied. If recency correlates with prompt difficulty or response length, the effective sampling distribution may deviate from the on-policy target in ways not corrected by per-token ratios under trust-region constraints.

    Authors: We agree that the current manuscript lacks a formal derivation showing that the recency-based replay preserves an unbiased group distribution after decoupled importance sampling is applied. In the revised version we will add a dedicated subsection deriving the expected policy gradient under the combined mechanism and proving that the per-token importance ratios, together with the trust-region constraint, yield an unbiased estimate with respect to the on-policy target. We will also explicitly discuss the possibility that recency may correlate with prompt difficulty or response length and show how the decoupled correction and trust-region clipping bound any resulting deviation. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Experiments] Empirical evaluations section: the abstract asserts 'substantially accelerates RL finetuning' and 'significantly fewer rollouts' across tasks, but the provided text contains no quantitative results, baseline comparisons, rollout counts, variance estimates, or ablation studies isolating the replay versus decoupled-IS components. Without these, the acceleration claim cannot be assessed for magnitude or robustness.

    Authors: The referee correctly observes that the version under review does not contain the quantitative results, rollout counts, baseline tables, variance estimates, or component ablations needed to evaluate the acceleration claims. We will expand the experimental section in the revision to include all of these elements: concrete performance numbers on each task, direct comparisons against prior RLVR methods, exact rollout budgets, variance statistics, and ablations that isolate the contribution of prioritized group replay versus decoupled importance sampling. revision: yes

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full rationale

The paper introduces POPO via two explicitly described algorithmic components (prioritized group replay using recency-based scoring of quality and off-policiness, plus decoupled importance sampling under trust-region constraints). No equations, fitting procedures, or self-citations are shown that would make any claimed performance gain equivalent to a renamed input quantity or a self-referential definition. The central claim of acceleration with fewer rollouts rests on the empirical behavior of these mechanisms rather than on any derivation that collapses to the problem statement itself. External benchmarks and task diversity are invoked without load-bearing reliance on prior author work that would itself be unverified.

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