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arxiv: 2502.13923 · v1 · submitted 2025-02-19 · 💻 cs.CV · cs.CL

Qwen2.5-VL Technical Report

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Qwen2.5-VL-72B reaches parity with GPT-4o on document and diagram tasks via native dynamic resolution and absolute time encoding.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper introduces Qwen2.5-VL as the next model in the Qwen vision-language series. It claims major gains in visual recognition, precise object localization with bounding boxes or points, structured extraction from invoices and tables, and comprehension of hour-long videos with second-level event timing. These gains come from training a native dynamic-resolution Vision Transformer from scratch and adding absolute time encoding, which lets the model handle variable image sizes and extended video durations without normalization steps. The 72B variant is presented as matching leading closed models like GPT-4o and Claude 3.5 Sonnet, especially on document and diagram benchmarks, while retaining the language strengths of the Qwen2.5 base. Smaller variants are offered for edge use.

Core claim

Qwen2.5-VL uses a native dynamic-resolution Vision Transformer trained from scratch together with Window Attention and absolute time encoding; this combination supports accurate bounding-box and point localization, robust parsing of forms and charts, and temporal localization in videos up to hours long, allowing the 72B model to match GPT-4o and Claude 3.5 Sonnet performance on those tasks.

What carries the argument

Native dynamic-resolution Vision Transformer (ViT) with Window Attention and absolute time encoding, which processes inputs at their original scales and durations without normalization.

If this is right

  • The model can function as an interactive visual agent for operating computers and mobile devices.
  • It processes images of arbitrary sizes and videos lasting multiple hours with second-level event localization.
  • Document and diagram understanding improves without separate normalization pipelines.
  • Smaller model sizes extend the same capabilities to edge devices.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Removing normalization steps may simplify deployment pipelines for variable-resolution inputs in other vision systems.
  • The same dynamic-resolution and time-encoding pattern could be tested on non-video sequences such as audio or sensor streams.
  • If the approach scales, future models might drop fixed-resolution assumptions entirely.

Load-bearing premise

The benchmarks used to claim parity with GPT-4o are free of data contamination and fairly measure document parsing, localization, and long-video performance.

What would settle it

A fresh benchmark of held-out invoices, diagrams, and hour-long videos where the 72B model scores more than 5 points below GPT-4o on localization precision or parsing F1.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2502.13923 by Haiyang Xu, Hang Zhang, Humen Zhong, Jiabo Ye, Jialin Wang, Jianqiang Wan, Jun Tang, Junyang Lin (additional authors not shown), Kai Dang, Keqin Chen, Mingkun Yang, Pengfei Wang, Peng Wang, Shijie Wang, Shuai Bai, Sibo Song, Tianbao Xie, Wei Ding, Wenbin Ge, Xi Zhang, Xuejing Liu, Yiheng Xu, Yuanzhi Zhu, Zesen Cheng, Zhaohai Li, Zheren Fu, Zhibo Yang.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: The Qwen2.5-VL framework demonstrates the integration of a vision encoder and a language [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_1.png] view at source ↗
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We introduce Qwen2.5-VL, the latest flagship model of Qwen vision-language series, which demonstrates significant advancements in both foundational capabilities and innovative functionalities. Qwen2.5-VL achieves a major leap forward in understanding and interacting with the world through enhanced visual recognition, precise object localization, robust document parsing, and long-video comprehension. A standout feature of Qwen2.5-VL is its ability to localize objects using bounding boxes or points accurately. It provides robust structured data extraction from invoices, forms, and tables, as well as detailed analysis of charts, diagrams, and layouts. To handle complex inputs, Qwen2.5-VL introduces dynamic resolution processing and absolute time encoding, enabling it to process images of varying sizes and videos of extended durations (up to hours) with second-level event localization. This allows the model to natively perceive spatial scales and temporal dynamics without relying on traditional normalization techniques. By training a native dynamic-resolution Vision Transformer (ViT) from scratch and incorporating Window Attention, we reduce computational overhead while maintaining native resolution. As a result, Qwen2.5-VL excels not only in static image and document understanding but also as an interactive visual agent capable of reasoning, tool usage, and task execution in real-world scenarios such as operating computers and mobile devices. Qwen2.5-VL is available in three sizes, addressing diverse use cases from edge AI to high-performance computing. The flagship Qwen2.5-VL-72B model matches state-of-the-art models like GPT-4o and Claude 3.5 Sonnet, particularly excelling in document and diagram understanding. Additionally, Qwen2.5-VL maintains robust linguistic performance, preserving the core language competencies of the Qwen2.5 LLM.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript introduces Qwen2.5-VL, the latest flagship in the Qwen vision-language series, which incorporates a native dynamic-resolution Vision Transformer trained from scratch along with Window Attention and absolute time encoding. These enable native handling of variable image resolutions and long videos (up to hours) with second-level localization. The paper claims major advances in visual recognition, precise object localization via bounding boxes or points, structured document parsing (invoices, forms, tables, charts, diagrams), and long-video comprehension, positioning the 72B model as matching GPT-4o and Claude 3.5 Sonnet especially on document/diagram tasks while preserving the linguistic capabilities of the underlying Qwen2.5 LLM. The model is released in three sizes for different deployment scenarios and is presented as an interactive visual agent.

Significance. If the performance claims hold after proper verification, the work would be significant for demonstrating that open multimodal models can reach parity with leading proprietary systems on practical visual tasks such as document understanding and agentic interaction. The architectural choices around dynamic-resolution ViT and absolute temporal encoding, if shown to be effective without heavy normalization, could provide reusable techniques for future vision-language models handling real-world scale and duration variations.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: The central claim that 'the flagship Qwen2.5-VL-72B model matches state-of-the-art models like GPT-4o and Claude 3.5 Sonnet, particularly excelling in document and diagram understanding' is unsupported by any quantitative benchmark scores, tables, or evaluation protocols. This absence is load-bearing because the manuscript provides no evidence (e.g., DocVQA, ChartQA, or video localization results) against which the parity assertion can be assessed.
  2. [Abstract] Abstract: No details are given on training data composition, decontamination procedures for the cited document/diagram/long-video benchmarks, or ablation studies isolating the contribution of the dynamic-resolution ViT and absolute time encoding. Without these, it is impossible to rule out data contamination as an alternative explanation for the headline performance, directly undermining the reliability of the SOTA-matching claim.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: The phrasing 'native dynamic-resolution Vision Transformer (ViT) trained from scratch' and 'Window Attention' is introduced at a high level without even brief clarification of how these differ from standard ViT or relative positional encodings, which would aid readability.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

2 responses · 1 unresolved

We thank the referee for the constructive feedback. We address the major comments point by point below, with planned revisions where appropriate.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: The central claim that 'the flagship Qwen2.5-VL-72B model matches state-of-the-art models like GPT-4o and Claude 3.5 Sonnet, particularly excelling in document and diagram understanding' is unsupported by any quantitative benchmark scores, tables, or evaluation protocols. This absence is load-bearing because the manuscript provides no evidence (e.g., DocVQA, ChartQA, or video localization results) against which the parity assertion can be assessed.

    Authors: The full manuscript contains quantitative benchmark tables and results in the Experiments section, with direct comparisons on DocVQA, ChartQA, diagram understanding, and video localization tasks against GPT-4o and Claude 3.5 Sonnet. The abstract summarizes these findings at a high level. We will revise the abstract to explicitly reference the relevant tables, sections, and key metrics to make the supporting evidence clear. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: No details are given on training data composition, decontamination procedures for the cited document/diagram/long-video benchmarks, or ablation studies isolating the contribution of the dynamic-resolution ViT and absolute time encoding. Without these, it is impossible to rule out data contamination as an alternative explanation for the headline performance, directly undermining the reliability of the SOTA-matching claim.

    Authors: We will add expanded ablation studies in the manuscript that isolate the contributions of the native dynamic-resolution ViT (with Window Attention) and absolute time encoding. However, full details on training data composition and decontamination procedures cannot be provided. revision: partial

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  • Detailed training data composition and decontamination procedures for the benchmarks

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full rationale

The paper is a technical report on model architecture, training procedure, and benchmark results. It contains no equations, first-principles derivations, fitted parameters presented as predictions, or load-bearing self-citations that reduce claims to inputs by construction. All performance claims rest on reported empirical numbers rather than any self-referential mathematical structure. This matches the default expectation of no significant circularity.

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This is an empirical model release paper. No mathematical derivations, fitted constants in equations, or new theoretical entities are introduced.

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